But the aluminum will draw the heat from your hand faster than your hand can warm it up hence me saying if you can’t cover the entire piece of metal in your and the exposed part will draw heat faster than you can warm it up real simple and a fact!Ok... the same thing was said tho? So how is that wrong? The maths says that the aluminum will heat faster than the wood...
If you don't like a chassis.... it's ok to just say so!
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Is it worth putting a chassis on a HUNTING rifle?
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That is probably why people buying custom shotguns are being measured and the gun is made to a certain point and then all the refinement of proper fit is done by feel, how the gun feel when you shoulder it, how the grip feels how the palm swell feels you can take all the measurements in the world but if it ain’t feel right it won’t shoot right period! I have really big hands and long arms and I like slander stocks rather than a fuller one. Even if the logic you have would be big hands equals fuller stocks!!
Well... While wood does have some R value... so does aluminum. Most everything does. The wood isn't any warmer after it is "heated" up by your hand... certainly not warmer than the aluminum will ever be. What it will be is the same temperature... To clarify... the aluminum will "heat" faster than the wood. This means it will also cool faster once the heat is removed. The wood will take longer to "heat", and then take longer to cool down when the heat is removed. Again, in the context of a rifle handle... this would matter very little, if at all.
Quite certain you know quite a lot about many different things.
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It may or may not be faster than one could warm it up. For some, yes, others no. That really is the issue at hand... pun intended. And neither simple, nor fact. It certainly isn't, or could/should be, a valid reason to choose one material over the other, or to preclude the right tool for the job.
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It is exactly why they are being measured. It ensures the fit. The fit doesn't happen without the measure... and neither does the feel. If the fit isn't right, it won't shoot right. You don't get a jacket to fit by feeling it. It fits because of measure. That's why there are sizes. The logic is... it has to do with measure... not feel. Everyone feels thing differently. What fits you, may not fit anyone else. Don't confuse preference and opinion with measure and fact.
Choosing a chassis over a traditional wood stock, or the opposite, surely has very very little to do with what material is used? And even less to do with how that material feels?
How long is a piece of string?
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I lick a lot of door knobs, bus windows, shopping cart handles, but I wouldn't lick a rifle. That is gross....
I do like that PR Cook chassis. Too bad it only comes in ugly brown color. I guess my feelings are governing my decision.
Lots of good comments in this post to consider.
I do like that PR Cook chassis. Too bad it only comes in ugly brown color. I guess my feelings are governing my decision.
Lots of good comments in this post to consider.
I dunno the science, but my personal experience reflects yours. I shoot all winter with wood, plastic and metal. The wood seems to warm up quicker than anything else, especially metal.
Sure you can wear gloves, but walking through the woods in the fall with bare hands and a wood stock is really nice.
You could always paint the chassis
Cat
Actually, that's exactly why it does make sense. The aluminum is highly conductive and "pulls" the heat energy from your hand far faster and more efficiently than the wood. Your hand will feel much colder much faster when holding the metal versus the wood, because the heat energy is being drawn from it much more quickly.
I can't believe this part of the debate...is even part of the debate.
Just out of curiosity...do you "feel" the same on a calm -20C day as you do on a windy -20C day with a significant windchill factor. Do you dress the same? Or does the windchill have a significant effect?
Same thing with the two stock materials. If the temperature of the air is -20C, both of the stocks will cool down to -20C, and the hands holding the stocks will do the same...but the hand holding the conductive metal will reach that temperature far, far faster, making the stock less comfortable to hold in a much shorter time. It...like the moving air versus still air...will remove heat energy from the hand more efficiently and more quickly.
Hell...even Google AI got this right...
Yeah but you got it wrong too just like me feelings has nothing to do in this only numbers if something feels right but the numbers tell you different than the numbers win and you become a liar cause you use your feelings to determine what works and what not….
I know I was confused too but I’ve been enlightened…
But I wonder why they bother with putting wood, rubber, foam on metal tools for handles?!?!
Ha ha, I think it might just be someone taking the p***. And... I think they have been successful, as this "debate" has prompted me to touch the aluminum rail on my tablesaw and a 2x4 on my worksite in -14 to compare how quickly heat transfers.
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If I may DGY and Rman. If I’m not mistaken there is a debate about which material is colder at -20 or any other cold temperature
Take two pieces one of wood one of aluminum . Dowel for wood and possibly Aluminium tubing . Let them sit for a set period of time . Measure temperature with a
Digital Thermo Scanner . Would that not present the facts ?
Take two pieces one of wood one of aluminum . Dowel for wood and possibly Aluminium tubing . Let them sit for a set period of time . Measure temperature with a
Digital Thermo Scanner . Would that not present the facts ?
No need for that redundant experiment; both will cool down to the ambient temperature. The difference is that the metal one will more quickly conduct the heat out of and away from one's hands, making it feel much colder much sooner. And, yes, when you are holding the rifle in your hands and setting up a shot, or simply carrying it from place to place, having your hands more quickly become chilled and clumsy and uncomfortable is an important factor in a rifle stock.
The main difference between wood and aluminum other than the obvious is that aluminum is known as a "heat sink", while wood is generally not.
Heat sinks rapidy and readily absorb heat from thier surroundings and anything they come into contact with. Aluminum has been used as a primary heat sink material for decades.
It is a poor material for extreme cold weather when it comes to handling and you would be more likely to develop frostbite quicker while holding it with bare hands versus wood.
The chassis systems I am paying attention to utilize a titanium or 7075 aluminum inner chassis that engages a reinforced carbon fiber stock.
Carbon fiber instantly warms to the temperature of your hand without acting like a heat sink like aluminum does. For routine cold weather hunting, a stock system that it made this way gets my vote over full aluminum or magnesium chassis systems.
Still can’t believe this is even a thing.
Obviously every chassis needs to come with a tablespoon of cement. Not for the faint of heart or the dainty of hand?
Each wood stock should obviously come with a hug… because, you know, feelings…
R.
Obviously every chassis needs to come with a tablespoon of cement. Not for the faint of heart or the dainty of hand?
Each wood stock should obviously come with a hug… because, you know, feelings…
R.
