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Just talked to a guy that was a range officer here in Penticton about it snd he said basically, powder/ball = loaded at their club ( well for a few more days anyways
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Storing a cap and ball revolver loaded
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What a sad world we live in. That we have to worry about if police will charge us if your at the range and your percussion gun doesn't fire for whatever reason. So you take the cap off of it. Trigger lock it and then put it in a locked case to transport it home in order to take it a part to unload it. Haha but get pulled over on way home and get charged. Haha as if you are a drug dealer packing a loaded glock in your belt. Haha OMG I would be out of this country if I could.
The original âdetachable magazineâ if anyone knows of a Pietta or Taylorâs repro cylinder will fit an original Remington 1858 Iâd be all ears
I am a close student of the law. I know what Iâm doing while Iâm doing it and if I donât know what Iâm doing I know itâs best to do it quickly. I donât question whether these things are legal while Iâm doing them. Thatâs why I asked the question.
Obviously Iâm not going to do that. Iâm not Alec Baldwin. Most antique cap and ball revolvers have a âsafety notchâ between each chamber. While the hammer is down in it, there is no way the gun can go off without c0cking it. Also if one powder charge spontaneously combusted, although that has never happened, there isnât a chamber lined up with the barrel while itâs in the safety notch so itâd just hurt you, or the foam in your case, not anybody else. Iâm not here to debate what is practically safe, just wanted to know if a charge of powder and a projectile makes it âloadedâ if there isnât a cap on the nipple, since Ontario hunting regulations seem to suggest that a rifle wouldnât be loaded in that state.
It is true that if a steel hammer spur strikes a steel nipple it could make a spark big enough to ignite the powder, potentially.
From an article in the Ontario Outdoors website written with assistance from a MNR Provincial Enforcement Specialist -
When it comes to muzzleloaders and black powder firearms, federal and provincial definitions for what constitutes a loaded firearm differ, says MNR Provincial Enforcement Specialist David Critchlow.
Under the federal Firearms Act (Storage, Display, Transportation and Handling of Firearms by Individuals Regulations) a gun, including a muzzleloader, is considered to be unloaded if any propellant, projectile or cartridge that can be discharged from the firearm is not contained in the breech or firing chamber of the firearm nor in the cartridge magazine attached to or inserted into the firearm.
Storage and transportation
Also, Critchlow notes, âUnder the federal Storage, Display, Transportation and Handling of Firearms by Individuals Regulations Transportation of Non-restricted Firearms section, muzzleloaders must be stored and transported unloaded.
There are, however, some exceptions, including storage at a hunt camp in a remote wilderness setting, or while being transported from one hunting site to another,â he explains. âIn the latter case, while the muzzleloader does not have to be unloaded, it must have the firing cap or flint removed. Note that this exception does not apply to transporting anywhere other than directly from one hunting site to another. For further information on the Firearms Act and its regulations you should contact your local police.â
Critchlow says muzzleloading hunters could be held to either federal Firearms Act or the provincial Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act at the discretion of the Conservation Officer or Police. Similarly, hunters dealing with provincial police forces might be subject to either standard.
Therefore, the most prudent course of action is to fully unload projectile and powder from a muzzleloader when storing them after hunts or during transport home from a hunting site or range.
When it comes to muzzleloaders and black powder firearms, federal and provincial definitions for what constitutes a loaded firearm differ, says MNR Provincial Enforcement Specialist David Critchlow.
Under the federal Firearms Act (Storage, Display, Transportation and Handling of Firearms by Individuals Regulations) a gun, including a muzzleloader, is considered to be unloaded if any propellant, projectile or cartridge that can be discharged from the firearm is not contained in the breech or firing chamber of the firearm nor in the cartridge magazine attached to or inserted into the firearm.
Storage and transportation
Also, Critchlow notes, âUnder the federal Storage, Display, Transportation and Handling of Firearms by Individuals Regulations Transportation of Non-restricted Firearms section, muzzleloaders must be stored and transported unloaded.
There are, however, some exceptions, including storage at a hunt camp in a remote wilderness setting, or while being transported from one hunting site to another,â he explains. âIn the latter case, while the muzzleloader does not have to be unloaded, it must have the firing cap or flint removed. Note that this exception does not apply to transporting anywhere other than directly from one hunting site to another. For further information on the Firearms Act and its regulations you should contact your local police.â
Critchlow says muzzleloading hunters could be held to either federal Firearms Act or the provincial Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act at the discretion of the Conservation Officer or Police. Similarly, hunters dealing with provincial police forces might be subject to either standard.
Therefore, the most prudent course of action is to fully unload projectile and powder from a muzzleloader when storing them after hunts or during transport home from a hunting site or range.
Thank you for that. I hate when they just pass interpretation off and say âcontact your local policeâ. My local police are literally the two cops from corner gas. They know nothing about gun laws whatsoever
if the rcmp told you they were coming to inspect your black powder rifles, and had a court order allowing this. you would leave any part of the rifle loaded in any capacity? that's not very smart.
again when something is "up to interpretation" its not yours or mine that matter, its the judge and heres a little hint, they arent on your side.
ask your lawyer which way is the smart/safe way to look at this situation if you need help thinking logically.
A revolver without cylinder is not a loaded gun - period.
Loaded cylinder alone in a locked ammo container is no different from a loaded 9mm cartridge - period. It doesn't matter the purpose, transport, hunt or storage or federal or provincial law.
Loaded cylinder alone in a locked ammo container is no different from a loaded 9mm cartridge - period. It doesn't matter the purpose, transport, hunt or storage or federal or provincial law.
