Used Winchester 94AE rifles

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Top - 45 Colt w/ Williams peep sight, VG $1400. SPF
Second - 45 Colt w/ Williams peep sight (rear sight missing) VG $1500
Third - 44 Mag VG $1500
Bottom - 44 Mag VG $1200

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I picked up the top rifle. Just curious if they all belonged to the same man.

It’s VERY interesting. Not only is it a weird configuration for a carbine, with the 24” barrel, bands, and the semi pistol grip stock, but it has proof marks on the left side of the barrel and receiver, suggesting it was outside of North America. (Crown over BNP and 2 crossed swords with what looks like Z 4 C in the quadrants)

The action inside was absolutely filthy. You could grow turnips in it, as a friend would have said.

45 colt does have a lot of blowback, due to the thick cases, but I’m wondering if this (these) were somebodies cowboy action guns, perhaps for mounted shooting? Low velocity/wax/blanks would explain the sheer amount of filth I blasted out of it.

Very interesting little gun!
I’ll have to research it further.

Thanks!
 
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Crown over BNP is a UK proof mark. BNP is short for Birmingham Nitro Proof. It means Government proof testing done in Birmingham, England.
 
Mark-II said:
I picked up the top rifle. Just curious if they all belonged to the same man.

It’s VERY interesting. Not only is it a weird configuration for a carbine, with the 24” barrel, bands, and the semi pistol grip stock, but it has proof marks on the left side of the barrel and receiver, suggesting it was outside of North America. (Crown over BNP and 2 crossed swords with what looks like Z 4 C in the quadrants)

The action inside was absolutely filthy. You could grow turnips in it, as a friend would have said.

45 colt does have a lot of blowback, due to the thick cases, but I’m wondering if this (these) were somebodies cowboy action guns, perhaps for mounted shooting? Low velocity/wax/blanks would explain the sheer amount of filth I blasted out of it.

Very interesting little gun!
I’ll have to research it further.

Thanks!
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I owned one exactly like yours in 44 magnum, they are the legacy model if I recall well. I didn't like the micro grove bore.
 
Thanks for the info folks!

I just had a look at the bore and compared it to a few other modern lever guns I have, including a Canuck 92 clone. Rifling looks to be of similar depth, so I don't know that it's microgroove. It shot my standard hard cast pistol loads good enough for my purposes - I don't expect any pistol cartridge shooting lever gun to be a long range tack driver.

It did take a whole can and more of aerosol cleaner and countless swabs and rags to get the action clean, followed by some aerosol Break Free CLP to re-lube everything. I might have to look into how to disassemble a '94 if I want to get it cleaner.

More than happy with it, though. I don't name guns, typically, but this one I'm going to.

Considering 45 colt and lever guns are associated with the wild west and outlaws, the British proofs, and my old (deceased) friends remarks about growing turnips in filthy guns he was working on for clients, I'm calling this one D|ck Turnip - lol. Yeah, that's dad joke material, but it makes me smile
 
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I thought Microgroove was a Marlin-specific thing.
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I thought so too, imagine my surprise when I discovered it.
Earlier I sold a marlin 1894, because of the Micro groove bore, which didn't work with lead bullets.
Today I own a Henry and all is good.

Here is an excerpt from Dr. Google:
"Micro-Groove bore" generally refers to a type of rifling developed by Marlin Firearms, but some Winchester firearms, specifically certain Winchester Model 94 Legacy rifles in calibers like .44 Magnum or .45 Colt, also featured this rifling (or a very similar process). This rifling type is distinct from traditional cut rifling.
 
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Mark-II said:
I picked up the top rifle. Just curious if they all belonged to the same man.

It’s VERY interesting. Not only is it a weird configuration for a carbine, with the 24” barrel, bands, and the semi pistol grip stock, but it has proof marks on the left side of the barrel and receiver, suggesting it was outside of North America. (Crown over BNP and 2 crossed swords with what looks like Z 4 C in the quadrants)

The action inside was absolutely filthy. You could grow turnips in it, as a friend would have said.

45 colt does have a lot of blowback, due to the thick cases, but I’m wondering if this (these) were somebodies cowboy action guns, perhaps for mounted shooting? Low velocity/wax/blanks would explain the sheer amount of filth I blasted out of it.

Very interesting little gun!
I’ll have to research it further.

Thanks!
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Shop should have had these spotless for those prices
 
mephisto002 said:
I thought so too, imagine my surprise when I discovered it.
Earlier I sold a marlin 1894, because of the Micro groove bore, which didn't work with lead bullets.
Today I own a Henry and all is good.

Here is an excerpt from Dr. Google:
"Micro-Groove bore" generally refers to a type of rifling developed by Marlin Firearms, but some Winchester firearms, specifically certain Winchester Model 94 Legacy rifles in calibers like .44 Magnum or .45 Colt, also featured this rifling (or a very similar process). This rifling type is distinct from traditional cut rifling.
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Well I'll be dipped. Thanks for that. :)
 
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