Remington of Old

Nothing wrong with the trigger itself. Just the lack of foresight that went into safety. If they'd only have incorporated a trigger block as well as the sear block into the safety. We'd never hear about gummed up triggers or old grease, as that would mitigate the vast majority of problems with it.

Still not as good as a positive striker block, but it would've made a big difference.

I picked up a classic 700 a little while back, which doesn't have a very nice trigger pull. I'm not a big trigger snob, but it's heavy and creepy. I'll adjust it a little nicer. Because it has the Walker trigger, I'll probably remove the bar that's the little bolt lock in the safety.

Is it fair to say that the ingress of any dirt or when its cold out, moisture, can either jam up the trigger, or make it fire when unintended, and that it isn't really ever drop safe?

In pretty much any iteration of a Remington 700 trigger because of the connector?
 
There's not a lot wrong, even with new production Model 700 Remington rifles, other than they are now being compared to rifles which were once too expensive to produce in North America and be able to make a profit.

The design proved itself many times over, both in the field hunting as well as on match ranges.

It's not perfect, never was intended to be either. I much prefer the original Walker trigger to their present offering.

As far as "one rifle at a time" goes, Remington wasn't the only manufacturer producing firearms in this manner, both in North America and all over the world.

I was lucky enough to get a tour of the Ilion plant back in the early seventies. It opened up my eyes a lot.

Remington, like many other companies, started building "component" style rifles, where some parts were "contracted" to be made, from outside sources. This made standardization easier, fitting faster/cheaper, and the list goes on.

I love the idea of a "skilled craftsman" hand building and tuning firearms, but that really hasn't been the case in most factories since the 1880s.

Mostly it's been "hand assembly of components" either contracted or in house manufactured to fit a "standard."

When it comes to purchasing an off the shelf firearm, and push comes to shove, I would opt for the CNC manufactured, component rifle, maybe hand assembled/fitted, over an all hand assembled/fitted firearm.

Modern production methods are what made rifles such as Savage, Ruger, Tikka, Bergara, etc what they are today.

It wasn't that long ago when you couldn't give away a Savage bolt action rifle, because accuracy was so hit and miss. Same for Rugers and Tikkas.

Many will scream heresy at those words, but it's true.

Savage didn't get back into the spotlight until it tore down its old system, full of antiquated tooling, built a new facility, and filled it with CNC equipment. Ruger went through a similar transformation, and now Remington and Winchester are following along.

It didn't happen, until offshore interests stepped up to the plate to save the brand name, by retooling the machinery necessary to refine the old design, make them even more precise, but much cheaper per unit to produce, and provide a profit for their investors.

Nothing wrong with new Remingtons, Marlins, Winchesters IMHO.

They've been modernized, and it doesn't appeal to many, so they've moved onto offshore manufactured firearms, which are very good and in some cases better. However, the present batches of firearms I see coming from offshore as well as North American factories are as good or better than ever.

This is just IMHO, of course.

CNC machining allows the new producers to manufacture their products with much more precision, as well as include features at minimal cost, which used to be expensive options.

Older isn't always better.

Nostalgia is a great sentiment, but often, that's all it is.

If a CNC machine is set up properly, and well maintained, it will produce thousands of identical components, cheaply, won't have bad days, and can be easily fitted, even by bubba.
 
The Remington trigger can screw up when dirt or moisture get into it, just like every other trigger. It is just as drop safe as any other. In fact. it will handle the "drop test" better than the original Model 70 will. The "firing on safety release" was primarily the result of poor QC. Parts were dimensionally out of spec. It was not the fault of the trigger design. There are triggers being made today which utilize a sear connector, but they don't call it a sear connector. The trigger could easily have been made differently and could have been a better trigger, but all the bad press about the design was BS.
 
Is it fair to say that the ingress of any dirt or when its cold out, moisture, can either jam up the trigger, or make it fire when unintended, and that it isn't really ever drop safe?

In pretty much any iteration of a Remington 700 trigger because of the connector?

I'm not sure about "any". And I don't believe there are many, if any that are completely drop safe.

I don't think being drop unsafe was ever a weakness, other than guys over adjusting.

And part of the issue very likely stems from lack of maintenance/cleaning on what could be a 50+ year old mechanism.

It's mainly my belief that not incorporating a trigger block in the design highlights and magnifies these issues.
 
I've had a 1960 Rem 722 that I bought from a member here a few years back. It had a repl SS barrel, drop mag 'upgrade' and new finish. I never took the Walker apart but I've 'drop-tested' Empty many times and also tested the 'Safety Issue' often as well. I was impressed with the clean lines and feel of real wood, as are folks at the range. I can keep it to MOA at 175-yds with old XM-80 and a BDC 12X scope. Not my skill, more the rifle IMO.
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I've had a 1960 Rem 722 that I bought from a member here a few years back. It had a repl SS barrel, drop mag 'upgrade' and new finish. I never took the Walker apart but I've 'drop-tested' Empty many times and also tested the 'Safety Issue' often as well. I was impressed with the clean lines and feel of real wood, as are folks at the range. I can keep it to MOA at 175-yds with old XM-80 and a BDC 12X scope. Not my skill, more the rifle IMO.
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That's a nice one!

I can't say 100%, but I didn't think the 722 had the Walker trigger?
 
Here's the 'opening line' of a doc by Jack Belk in 2016 (which I found on another forum- I don't have copyright permissions), regarding "Remove, Repair and Replacement" of a Walker. A distinguishing fact is the 'grooved trigger shoe' of the Walkers, altho there may be some w/o that; just what I've read abut it.
" We begin with any Model 700 series or 600 series Remington rifle (except for the model 788) made between 1947 and 2006. They contain a “Walker” fire control system and always has a grooved trigger'shoe' face. "
 
My favorite Remingtons by far are the old model 8s that were designed by JMB
I just need to get a model 81 in 300 savage and I will have all the calibers that they came in

Didn't realize they came in .300 Savage. I don't know what the improvements were, but I thought the 8 was the reason .35 Remington was so underloaded.
 
I've had 3 of those over the years. Still have a 32. Keeping my eyes out for theFN version in 9mm. No luck so far. - dan
There was one on the EE from a old time CGNer last Oct/Nov, I don't think it sold - PM me if you want his name.
And, there is one on GP right now, priced too high IMO
Heres some of mine (9 FNs, the rest 8/81s)
 

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I just got one in 25 REM at the Edm gun show
there was a lady there selling a whole pile of them, she had 6 or 8 of them
I never seen so many in one place before!
She had one of the FN made ones too but it was in 35 REM
Yes, those were her father's collection. Some very nice examples. - dan
 
I just got one in 25 REM at the Edm gun show
there was a lady there selling a whole pile of them, she had 6 or 8 of them
I never seen so many in one place before!
She had one of the FN made ones too but it was in 35 REM
An 8 in 25 Remington is quite desirable, must reload to shoot it though
Got pics?
An FN is chambered in 9mm or, 35 Remington here in NA -same/same
Do you recall the price on that one?
 
The FN was considerably more then the others , it was 2500 I think
I got the 25 REM for 1000 which is a really good price for it
Yep I reload for all my model 8s, the 25,30,32 and 35 REM
A buddy had a spare set of dies he sold me and we bought brass from rusty wood
The action on it was pretty gummy but after a teardown and good cleaning it was working perfectly
loaded up a few rounds and it fired and cycled like it should, pretty impressive for a firearm that's over 100 years old
 
I've had 3 of those over the years. Still have a 32. Keeping my eyes out for theFN version in 9mm. No luck so far. - dan
I've seen exactly one in 9mm . It was in a gun shop in Montana , of all places , and it had a lot of zeros in the price tag , about $ 2800 US IIRC . It was in extremely nice shape though . To pricey for me .
 
I had one.. FN in .35Rem with the detachable mag too! Great shape too, all for $350 from old Ernies Gun shop in WPG where it had been for a few years. Had it for a few years and then police (long story)are knocking on the door saying it was stolen from a burglary back in 86’.
So FN #3856 out of 4700 or so made is still floating around Wpg with the rightful owners 😢!
 
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