- Location
- Barrie Ontario
The bike is a WLA Harley Davidson 750cc sidevalve built in 1942
Guns & Bikes
- Thread starter kel1
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Depending on the bike you have, you could purchase saddlebags and use that to carry the bag to the range and back. Hard bags are lockable, soft bags are strapped. You could pin the strap so its "locked". Putting the gun under the seat is NOT a good idea. First off, there isnt enough room to store a small case under the seat and the law requires it be in a locked container. When you get to the range, you will be technically breaking the law when you remove the pistol from the seat outside.
If its a single gun, put it in a backpack or inside your jacket while its in a locked case. You'll still need to transport the ammo, so invest in a pair of saddle bags, it will save you a lot of hassle.
As for long guns..... I'm still trying to figure out a way to transport my 870 magnum legally on a motorcyle. I like the gun saddle on the WLA but it isnt practical with the cops today. Cars that pass me or cars I pass are more than likely to be dialing 911 on their cells screaming "there's a biker on the highway on his way to murder someone" and "I know he's about to murder someone because he has a gun on the front of his bike"......
*sighs*
If its a single gun, put it in a backpack or inside your jacket while its in a locked case. You'll still need to transport the ammo, so invest in a pair of saddle bags, it will save you a lot of hassle.
As for long guns..... I'm still trying to figure out a way to transport my 870 magnum legally on a motorcyle. I like the gun saddle on the WLA but it isnt practical with the cops today. Cars that pass me or cars I pass are more than likely to be dialing 911 on their cells screaming "there's a biker on the highway on his way to murder someone" and "I know he's about to murder someone because he has a gun on the front of his bike"......
*sighs*
Speak for yourself, I can easily put a locking case under my seat.
Why isn't the motorcycle itself considered a 'locking container'? I mean, I can just ride right up the stairs if I have to....
What kind of bike do you have BTW?
Two things, I'd love to see you going up and down your stairs, negotiating your rooms with your bike etc. Secondly explaining in court how your motorcycle is a proper "container" as stipulated for transport of a restricted firearm!! lol!!!
Yah I don't think there's any problem or confusion with the transportation side of things. We're talking restricted here remember, automatically it's out of sight so hopefully no one runs into problems like Wally's.
I guess the questionable part is the leaving it unattended.
I've got soft luggage, and regardless of how securely you mount them or lock the zippers, a two second knife job and your junk is gone.
I've done my reading up on the Firearms act now, here's the related exerpt:
Now I'm just thinking out loud a little bit here, so please forgive me if this gets a little long winded and technical.
11.(a)-(c) are pretty straightforward. Unloaded, Locked, and Locked. Everyone knows that. Note that it does not dictate a means of transport. It doesn't say it has to be a vehicle, it doesn't say you can't walk down the street to your range with it, nor does it say that it has to be out of sight. And it certainly doesn't say you can't take it on a bike.
11.(d) is the part that throws us for a bit of a loop. It describes what has to happen if you leave that unloaded, locked, and locked gun in an unattended vehicle. If you don't leave it behind in an unattended vehicle, there's no problem, according to the law at least. 11.(d) doesn't apply. So the best thing to do would be to keep it on you if you can't lock it up.
There's a paragraph in a proceeding section (10.3.(a) & (b)) that details the eventuality of not being able to lock up a vehicle at all. But that's dealing with non-restricted and in a wilderness area.
With this paragraph (11.d.(i)) it says "if you've got a trunk that can be locked, you're gun must be in it." I hope that no one considers the little cubbyhole that I can barely fit a can of Coke into a trunk, but I'd bet a prosecutor would be arguing it all day in court. Should that stick, regardless of whether or not the gun actually fits in it, I'm in trouble because section 11 starts off by saying:
"An individual may transport a restricted firearm only if"
It doesn't say "and individual may transport if", they throw in the "only".
So I'm going to argue that I don't have a trunk. My only hope left to be able to leave it unattended is 11.d.(ii). It says the part of the vehicle with my gun in it must be locked, not only that, it must be securely locked. So is a tankbag or saddle bag considered to be a "part of the vehicle"? It's an accessory that I know ICBC won't cover because it's not part of the vehicle or permanently attached to it, but what about for the purposes of the Firearms Act? I don't believe this is specifically defined. (I suppose this may even translate to whether or not you can legally leave your gun unattended (unloaded locked & locked) in the car top carrier on your SUV that you could legally transport it in. Same with your hard luggage on your bike if it is removable, which most are, even if you can lock it up.)
So even supposing that I can convince a judge that my tankbag is an integral part of the bike (doubtful), I've still got to convince him that it is "securely locked". Anyone want to bet on the chances?
Therefore because of the "only if" part of the section, if the requirements are not met in d.(i) or d.(ii) then you can't leave it behind. Not only that, you can't even transport it.
So next time I'm riding my bike to the range and all of a sudden I've got that inescapable urge to find some white porcelain, my gun comes with me.
I guess the questionable part is the leaving it unattended.
I've got soft luggage, and regardless of how securely you mount them or lock the zippers, a two second knife job and your junk is gone.
I've done my reading up on the Firearms act now, here's the related exerpt:
Now I'm just thinking out loud a little bit here, so please forgive me if this gets a little long winded and technical.
11.(a)-(c) are pretty straightforward. Unloaded, Locked, and Locked. Everyone knows that. Note that it does not dictate a means of transport. It doesn't say it has to be a vehicle, it doesn't say you can't walk down the street to your range with it, nor does it say that it has to be out of sight. And it certainly doesn't say you can't take it on a bike.
11.(d) is the part that throws us for a bit of a loop. It describes what has to happen if you leave that unloaded, locked, and locked gun in an unattended vehicle. If you don't leave it behind in an unattended vehicle, there's no problem, according to the law at least. 11.(d) doesn't apply. So the best thing to do would be to keep it on you if you can't lock it up.
There's a paragraph in a proceeding section (10.3.(a) & (b)) that details the eventuality of not being able to lock up a vehicle at all. But that's dealing with non-restricted and in a wilderness area.
With this paragraph (11.d.(i)) it says "if you've got a trunk that can be locked, you're gun must be in it." I hope that no one considers the little cubbyhole that I can barely fit a can of Coke into a trunk, but I'd bet a prosecutor would be arguing it all day in court. Should that stick, regardless of whether or not the gun actually fits in it, I'm in trouble because section 11 starts off by saying:
"An individual may transport a restricted firearm only if"
It doesn't say "and individual may transport if", they throw in the "only".
So I'm going to argue that I don't have a trunk. My only hope left to be able to leave it unattended is 11.d.(ii). It says the part of the vehicle with my gun in it must be locked, not only that, it must be securely locked. So is a tankbag or saddle bag considered to be a "part of the vehicle"? It's an accessory that I know ICBC won't cover because it's not part of the vehicle or permanently attached to it, but what about for the purposes of the Firearms Act? I don't believe this is specifically defined. (I suppose this may even translate to whether or not you can legally leave your gun unattended (unloaded locked & locked) in the car top carrier on your SUV that you could legally transport it in. Same with your hard luggage on your bike if it is removable, which most are, even if you can lock it up.)
So even supposing that I can convince a judge that my tankbag is an integral part of the bike (doubtful), I've still got to convince him that it is "securely locked". Anyone want to bet on the chances?
Therefore because of the "only if" part of the section, if the requirements are not met in d.(i) or d.(ii) then you can't leave it behind. Not only that, you can't even transport it.
So next time I'm riding my bike to the range and all of a sudden I've got that inescapable urge to find some white porcelain, my gun comes with me.
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scouser_tommy81
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- vancouver, bc
wouldn't the most logical thing to do be calling your local cfo, rcmp detachment or police station and asking them? irregardless of federal law there may be a provincial, or municipal, statute regarding this that your local law enforcement would be able to tell you.
Yes that would be the thing to do. However, RCMP and CFO, and even the CFC are not always entirely well versed in these laws. Having made a few of these inquiry phone calls to the various departments, it really depends on who's on the other end of the line when you call, and what kind of day they're having.
Unfortunate, but reality.
-kelly
Unfortunate, but reality.
-kelly
- Location
- Tucson, Arizona
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I wanted one of those, but they seemed to all be turned into choppers,
So I settled for a BSA WM-20
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- Alberta!!!
Just remember no one said you have to take a vehicle to the range. The regs deal with locked, unloaded, container type and IF LEFT unattended.
No one said you can't walk or motorcycle to the range.
BUT....be prepared to defend that in court.
No one said you can't walk or motorcycle to the range.
BUT....be prepared to defend that in court.
- Location
- Outside the Wire....
I ride a Ninja 1000 to the range all the time. I have a small single handgun case that fits inside my backpack, works well for me. The only prob is I can only bring one gun
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- Outside the Wire....
###y Bike, I'd trade my ninja any day for it. Solves the one gun issue.
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Last summer I rode to the range a few times on an '85 Yamaha FZ750 me & my dad were "restoring" (if its possible to use that term on a bike thats twenty year sold). I managed to comfortably fit a S&W 686 and a Sig P229 into the blue plastic Sig case, which went into a backpack. Trigger locks, padlock on the pistol case, and padlock on the backpack zippers. Triple locked, exceeding the law. Backpack came with me to get gas & food (range is quite a ways away). Perfectly legal.
I also know of a guy who does the same thing, but on an '05 Honda VTX1800N... He puts a backpack inside of his saddlebags, and if he has to get gas or go to the washroom, he takes the backpack out of the saddlebag and wears it on his back. Perfectly legal.
I also know of a guy who does the same thing, but on an '05 Honda VTX1800N... He puts a backpack inside of his saddlebags, and if he has to get gas or go to the washroom, he takes the backpack out of the saddlebag and wears it on his back. Perfectly legal.
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- Outside the Wire....
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I know of no motorcycle with a big enough storage compartment under the seat to put a single pistol case in. So please enlighten me.
Alright, prepare to be enlightened...
And this next picture is not my bike but gives you an idea of the size of my 'trunk'...
It's honestly bigger than the picture suggests, as well. I can tour for weeks with just my tank bag and what I can put in there.
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- Outside the Wire....
I'm with "KaiBosh" on this one, my old 96 Kawi GPZ 1100 could fit a single pistol case (like an H&K USP factory Case) under the seat. My new one though not a chance, can barely fit my wallet.
Alright, prepare to be enlightened...
It's honestly bigger than the picture suggests, as well. I can tour for weeks with just my tank bag and what I can put in there.
I can see that now, thanks for the enlightenment.
I can tour for months on mine and have a cooler to boot. Now if only I could transport a long gun......
lol, that guy was very lucky that he was able to skid in a controlled manner to the side of the road. If his rear tire had locked in a high speed sweeper...
On the ZRX forums there was a serious discussion about practising firing your gun left-handed from the bike, if your life was threatened by a cager. Gotta love them Yanks!
On the ZRX forums there was a serious discussion about practising firing your gun left-handed from the bike, if your life was threatened by a cager. Gotta love them Yanks!
