Sourcing ammo for .410 Revolver Shotgun?

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Intrepid1470

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Hi gang,

I came into the possession of a Lazer Arms XR410, and I'm having a heck of a time finding a good variety of shells. So far, the only brand I could find is Sellier & Bellot .410 "Magnum" fit, and my local shops rarely carry it. Typical tall brass .410 shells from the likes of Challenger et al won't bed all the way in the cylinder, by which I mean the rim of the cartridge doesn't sit flush with the rear side of the cylinder, which prevents me from closing the cylinder. Is "short brass" a category of shell? Because that seems to be the problem. All the shells I've found in stores have brass that is about 5mm taller than the S&B I found.

I'm a neophyte, so I'm sure I'm missing something. Can anyone enlighten me? I'd like to try different brands and loads, because S&B only make 2-3 different loads, but I'm mostly interested in shooting slugs. My intent it to mount a scope on it just for the lolz.

I Googled ".410 Magnum" to see if maybe there's a different type of .410 cartridge (say Winchester or whatever), to no avail.

Thanks in advance.

A newbie.
 
.410 Magnum (typically 3-inch) shells offer higher shot capacity, greater velocity, and more downrange energy compared to regular (2.5-inch) .410 shells. None of these matter given the practical applications of the 410.

The build of the shells is what hinders your chambering them in the revolver cylinder.
This can only be sorted out through trial and error.

So buy what you can find and shoot them to figure out what works best on target.
Then stick with that.
 
Intrepid1470 said:
Hi gang,

I came into the possession of a Lazer Arms XR410, and I'm having a heck of a time finding a good variety of shells. So far, the only brand I could find is Sellier & Bellot .410 "Magnum" fit, and my local shops rarely carry it. Typical tall brass .410 shells from the likes of Challenger et al won't bed all the way in the cylinder, by which I mean the rim of the cartridge doesn't sit flush with the rear side of the cylinder, which prevents me from closing the cylinder. Is "short brass" a category of shell? Because that seems to be the problem. All the shells I've found in stores have brass that is about 5mm taller than the S&B I found.

I'm a neophyte, so I'm sure I'm missing something. Can anyone enlighten me? I'd like to try different brands and loads, because S&B only make 2-3 different loads, but I'm mostly interested in shooting slugs. My intent it to mount a scope on it just for the lolz.

I Googled ".410 Magnum" to see if maybe there's a different type of .410 cartridge (say Winchester or whatever), to no avail.

Thanks in advance.

A newbie.
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You just have to try and see what works and as far as finding 410 shotshell I spent 5 mins and found 10 different makes of 410 just by looking through the venders above. Budget shooter supply has a few different varieties
 
Just looked and G4c has at least 5 different types of 410 all in stock , just takes a little effort on your part
 
jcpal said:
Just looked and G4c has at least 5 different types of 410 all in stock , just takes a little effort on your part
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I tried five different brands and only S&B would bed all the way in. The gun take 3" and 2.75", as marked.

The difference between S&B and all the others is the length of the brass. All the others had brass about 4-5mm longer. As such, they would not bed all the way in.

With any other brand, if I try to bed it all the way in, the ejector needs quite a bit of.pressure to push the back out. Also, the base flanged of the shell appears thicker than other brands.

Behold: an expended Sellier & Bellot .410 c 3" shell1000009006.jpg
 
legi0n said:
.410 Magnum (typically 3-inch) shells offer higher shot capacity, greater velocity, and more downrange energy compared to regular (2.5-inch) .410 shells. None of these matter given the practical applications of the 410.

The build of the shells is what hinders your chambering them in the revolver cylinder.
This can only be sorted out through trial and error.

So buy what you can find and shoot them to figure out what works best on target.
Then stick with that.
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Thank you for your actually helpful reply. From your explanation, I assume a 410 magnum produces a higher velocity due to a higher grain count that results from more space in the shell due to the shorter brass? If not, please illuminate me.

Indeed, I suspect the build of the shell required in esoteric. My hope is to hear from.someone with experience with this.firearm who can confirm other brands that fit, because I tried every brand of
410 in every store in my area (6 stores) and only S&B fit. Is it the metric system or something?
 
FLHTCUI said:
Be nice, he is. a newbie, prolly his first post ever on a forum....
:rolleyes:
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Thank you. I'm a newbie to 410 shotguns in particular, not firearms in general. Seems a few respondents didn't understand what I was asking. I was not asking how to source .410 ammo. I was asking how to source 410 ammo that fits this weird gun other than Sellier&Bellot.
 
I have the Sulan Arms SR .410 revolver. I find most of the .410 shells, regardless of manufacturer, hard to eject. I've used Remington, S&B, Challenger and Troy. The Troy ammunition seems the best. Pic below of Troy 2.5" #4 vs S&B 2.5" 000 buckshot.
The Troy #4 is low brass and soft shooting.
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themacguy said:
I have the Sulan Arms SR .410 revolver. I find most of the .410 shells, regardless of manufacturer, hard to eject. I've used Remington, S&B, Challenger and Troy. The Troy ammunition seems the best. Pic below of Troy 2.5" #4 vs S&B 2.5" 000 buckshot.
The Troy #4 is low brass and soft shooting.
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Thanks! That's one brand I didn't find on the shelves in local stores in 410
 
Intrepid1470 said:
Thank you for your actually helpful reply. From your explanation, I assume a 410 magnum produces a higher velocity due to a higher grain count that results from more space in the shell due to the shorter brass? If not, please illuminate me.

Indeed, I suspect the build of the shell required in esoteric. My hope is to hear from.someone with experience with this.firearm who can confirm other brands that fit, because I tried every brand of
410 in every store in my area (6 stores) and only S&B fit. Is it the metric system or something?
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the magnum rounds are usually 3" and that's where the room for the extra powder comes from. 3" chambered shotguns are built a bit stronger.
2.5" magnum rounds can be made but there's the risk of someone using them in an older shotgun that's not strong enough.
The length of the brass is just a marketing thing nowadays. It is not even brass but rather coated steel.
https://www.shotgunworld.com/threads/high-brass-vs-low-brass.426671/
 
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