RCMP marked No4 mark I *

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Hi guys,

Sorry, I must be having one of those days as I’m sure I’ve seen a thread about this somewhere, but can’t seem to find it.

I have an MP marked No4 mark I *

I’ve tried to find a “free” online copy of Arms and accoutrements of the Mounted Police to confirm the reference number, but can’t seem to locate one…I’m certainly too cheap to buy a copy!

**EDIT: It’s not on the “list”, but I am aware that the majority aren’t**

Cheers!
 

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pcvando said:
I've had the pleasure of having several over the years, and recently sold one to a fellow CGN member.

It was listed in the ledgers, as were all the ones I have had. I have discussed s/n's with Klancher in the past, and personally, I would avoid anything past the 77L series.

There are unfortunately fakes in circulation.

A detailed examination of that stamp does raise some eyebrows, as it differs from the examples I have documented in several ways.

I'd be cautious about this one. Now, I am not outright saying it is a fake, as it may be legit and a late variation of the die. However, I tend to stay clear of things that need an explanation.
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That’s interesting, thanks!
 
For future reference and anyone viewing this thread, there are unfortunately known fake "NWMP" and "MP" die sets in circulation.

Given the influx of other fake markings on milsurps coming out of the woodwork, one must be very careful.

OP's gun looks fine for the later RCMP purchased rifles, and falls within the known range. It is not listed in the Klancher records, but the records are known to be incomplete.

Nice looking LB rifle OP!
 
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pcvando said:
For future reference and anyone viewing this thread, there are unfortunately known fake "NWMP" and "MP" die sets in circulation.

Given the influx of other fake markings on milsurps coming out of the woodwork, one must be very careful.

OP's gun looks fine for the later RCMP purchased rifles, and falls within the known range. It is not listed in the Klancher records, but the records are known to be incomplete.

Nice looking LB rifle OP!
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Excellent sir, I appreciate the input.
 
I do not know much about these rifles, but what makes "MP" (Military Police) to be the mark used by RCMP, or NWMP?? Perhaps "MP" stands for "Mounted Police" - not "Military Police" - but in common language around here, a reference to an "MP" is referring to a "Military Police" person, not to a "Mounted Police" person, and I have never heard "MP" used in reference to a "Mountie".
 
I wonder why the records are incomplete????

When I worked for Alan Lever, owner of Lever Arms back in the day, we received a couple of shipments of surplus "RCMP" issued rifles. Some of which were match tuned.

We always received detailed shipping invoices from both the RCMP disposal system as well as the brokerage they came from.

One of the Lever Arms lists is circulating, is this one. I unpacked these rifles, and the paperwork wasn't much different than any other surplus shipment.

Lever wasn't the only outlet purchasing these firearms at the time. They all had similar paperwork, so did the RCMP.

I found out at the time, many of the rifles were not stamped at "Depot," but shipped directly to the unit armorers and hand stamped there.

That's why you often see light strikes, crooked strikes, and maybe even the wrong stamp fonts. They used what they had on hand, or what was available from the local hardware store.

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Potashminer said:
I do not know much about these rifles, but what makes "MP" (Military Police) to be the mark used by RCMP, or NWMP?? Perhaps "MP" stands for "Mounted Police" - not "Military Police" - but in common language around here, a reference to an "MP" is referring to a "Military Police" person, not to a "Mounted Police" person, and I have never heard "MP" used in reference to a "Mountie".
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RCMP of course are the Mounted Police. Yes whenever we hear some one say the MPs we all think Military Police. Probably started with growing up with all the Great War movies from the 1950s through the 1970s being American. As a kid hearing an officer in a movie say “Provost or Provost Marshal” you knew it was a British war movie.
I’m curious why the RCMP would stamp a rifle with a separate M and P when I mostly see the M with the round of the P added to the last leg of the M? The horse blankets are a perfect example. They even back brush hair on the horse’s rump using the same stencil.
RCMP Blanket

So why wouldn’t the armourers accepting these rifles use a similar stamp to indicate approved for use etc?
 
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