New to SL8-4, need advice

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Hi, I plan to order a SL8-4 from wolverine supplies. I want to make a low caliber sniper rifle with it.

First: I'm looking for a long range scope to shoot up to 500 meters, and I want to have a good field of view. I new something robust who'll stand his zero. I can pay 1500$ for it

Second: about the accuracy, is it really accurate for a .223? more than an AR?

Third: can I install easilly a bipod on it?

Fourth: Do you suggest me some accessories for the sl8?

Thanks!
 
I gather it has to be non-restricted?
Otherwise I would wait for the Stag Model 6 to arrive. It's a heavy barrelled varmint AR-15. 1/2 MOA guarantee.

As for Scopes. What type of magnification?
 
First: I'm looking for a long range scope to shoot up to 500 meters, and I want to have a good field of view. I new something robust who'll stand his zero. I can pay 1500$ for it

Second: about the accuracy, is it really accurate for a .223? more than an AR?

Third: can I install easilly a bipod on it?

Fourth: Do you suggest me some accessories for the sl8?
1) for that money, you can get a Leupold LR/T. Nice glass and has the features you'll need.
2) yes. yes (compared to a similarly-priced AR)
3) define "easily". You can install the HK bipod very easily; a Harris will require that you add a stud, which isn't too hard.
4) the adaptor that let's you put AR15 mags in it, because then you can use the 10-round pistol mags that Questar sells.
 
While the SL8 is a neat and accurate rifle ( I considered getting one myself). I would seriously consider looking at the Swiss Arms Black Target (flat top) for the role you're planning on using this rifle for.

The flat top makes it very easy to mount larger designated marksmen/varmint style scopes. With the PE-90 target Swiss arms rifle, scope mounting is easier and in my opinion probably a lot better for keeping zero. This is based on experience with the PE-90 and internet talk about the SL-8 (So it could very well be wrong).

SL-8 $2144.00 (Wolverine)
PE-90 $2800.00 Note the price has been dropped recently on these from the $3000 to $2800. (The shooting edge, Wolverine also sells these but the price hasn't been updated on their website)

Difference: $656.00

Now add in that you'll need a bipod for the SL-8 and that's another $130 (not including the cost of the stud and work to install it). So now you're down to a difference of $526.

Comparison at a glance:

PE-90: Built in bipod, steel receiver, decent trigger out of box, fantastic folding stock, military style barrel with the flash hider, scope rail attaches directly to a metal receiver. Excellent fit/finish. Easy no tools required take down. Designed for 63 grain bullets. 1/10 twist I believe (double check this). AK reliability. Ambi safety.

Criticism: Heavy, expensive. Ergonomics are a bit off (still very useable just not perfect). Ak bolt on the wrong side for right handers, AK style mag release, Cost of magzines.

SL-8: Lots of polymer for weight reduction, thumb hole grip (Some like, some don't), heavier contour barrel, 1/7 twist I believe for heavier 69 grain .223, should also shoot 62 grain. I've heard various things about the trigger. It's supposed to be about 3.5 pounds. Some really like it, others don't. Milleage varies I guess. Considered to be fairly accurate.

Criticism: The stock. A lot of people don't seem to like the thumbhole and convert these to G36 clones right away. There has been a lot of talk on the internet about cracking polymer receivers on these firearms. That could be a very big concern. Of course that may have been addressed by HK. HK service/views towards civilian ownership hasn't been good in the past. Wolverine however has an excellent reputation, so that isn't really a problem.
Bulky. This firearm while looking cool and futuristic also tends to look a bit bulky, no doubt from the thumhole stock and rail system. I personsonlly don't like the looks but that's an individual thing.

When you factor in that the real cost difference is about $526 dollars. You're really in the market for either one. Also consider that you can get quality optics for less than the $1500 you were willing to spend.

For Scopes I'd recommend the Zeiss Conquest as the best bang for the buck in the higher end scope range. You should be able to find one without even trying in the $1100 range with 6.5-20x 50mm (Shop around and you can probably get it for a bit less, or buy one second hand, I've seen $950 for NIB second hand). You can cut costs a bit if you don't need that much magnification.

Now here's the budget entry that I would probably recommend. Ruger Mini Target $980 rifle. Optics: Falcon Menace 4-14 FPF 44mm $385, or Burris, Bushnell elite 4200 (I don't really like this one myself), etc etc. Accuracy is very good, non restricted, very reliable and piston system.

Cons: trigger needs work from what I've read, and it doesn't have the uber cool black rifle look. Although it is nice looking in it's own weird way. With a decent scope (not top notch though) you can be out shooting this for the same cost $1500 you were willing to spend on the scope alone.

This may be a good option if you're waiting for the Bush Master ACR / Magpull Masada. Which may be the next big thing if we get them next year.

Something to consider.
Let us know what you decide, and why.
 
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[...]There has been a lot of talk on the internet about cracking polymer receivers on these firearms. That could be a very big concern. [...]

The receivers do not and never have developed cracks. If the dreaded crack develops, the most that happens is the bolt doesn't hold back on the last shot. Newer SL8's may have a modified trigger group housing to lessen the chance of this developing.

This is where the crack could develop, right where the arrow points:
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This is what the gun looks like with an HK bipod (recommended over the harris for looks and ease of installation, but not adjustable), G36-style back end, aluminum pic rail, and AR15 mag. I can't recommend the G36 buttstock: it looked and worked well, but was expensive and a pain to install.

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If the dreaded crack develops, the most that happens is the bolt doesn't hold back on the last shot. Newer SL8's may have a modified trigger group housing to lessen the chance of this developing.

That's still pretty disconcerting.
 
I have to agree with the potential challenge of the Swiss Arms Rifle ... I have though the same thing (considering that both are NON RESTRICTED).

One BIG difference is that with the SL8 you can get a AR15 magazine adapter and use the LEGAL 10 ROUND Magazines.. That was the deal breaker for me.
 
No the Swiss arms doesn't have a mag adapter. That being said many would argue that the Swiss Arms mags are superior to the AR mags. I personally like them. 10 round mags are nice. Howerver you can clip the Swiss Arms mags together side by side for multiple mags. I've seen up to four clipped side by side. With the rocker mag system this makes for very fast reloads. This is probably the only real advantage of the rocking mag system. Otherwise I do like the AR style a lot better.
 
They both have their pro's and cons, but one thing is for certain is that the USGI magazines are much less in cost compared to the Swiss arms mags.

I could have sworn they were in the 70-80$ range.. or was that the SL8 magazines?

someone correct me if I'm wrong here.
 
I have an SL8 and an AR. If I was going to choose it would be the AR. Its cheaper and there are so many different parts to trick it out the way you want.

I like the SL8 but ist expensive and lacks a range of accessories.
 
Yeah, it may be accurate, and slghtly cheaper, but the fact the reciever is plastic is really a turn off for me. I wonder how the SL-8 compares to the G36 when you look at all the parts.
 
I own a SL8. I think it shoots straighter than my Wetherby bolt action. What I paid for it, it should. I'm no expert or a great shot but i've put some tight groups in. I give it the sparrow test. If I can hit a sparrow off my barn wich is 100 yards from my shop. It does if I pull the trigger right.

I got a Bushnell Elite with straight 10x and if I am Cayote hunting I put the red dot sight on. I am big beleiver in those things. A cayote on the run was safe until I got that thing.
 
I'll try and post a picture of my PE-90 after I borrow a camera. I just had the scope mounted on it. It should make a good side by side comparison with the HK picture posted earlier.

One other thing I should add. If you're going to have a DM version of the PE-90 like mine, the 5 round mags look the best and they allow you to really balance the rifle while shooting off hand. The balance is right at the bottom of the mag and the 5 rounder allows you to put your weak hand right under it for a surprisingly balanced rifle. I'll try and get a camera to post picks.
 
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for what he wants to use the gun for i dont think the 10 round mags are a big deal to not have, not like he is doing 3-gun or tac rifle where it affects reloads
 
They both have their pro's and cons, but one thing is for certain is that the USGI magazines are much less in cost compared to the Swiss arms mags.

I could have sworn they were in the 70-80$ range.. or was that the SL8 magazines?

someone correct me if I'm wrong here.
the 5 rounders are $75, the 20 are $50 and 30's are $60. no clue why the 5's are more expensive...
 
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