First hunting rifle (30-06)

I’m a buy once, cry once kinda guy. Sounds like this will be your one an only hunting rig (for now). I’d spend more, and get something new, quality and life long. Might get roasted here, but $1000-$1500 for rifle and same pesos for optic is where I’d start for a kit that you won’t leave you wanting to upgrade soon after…See the used sections at LGS.

I’d recommend one of my favourites- Tikka Stainless Laminated. They’re nice in the hand, nice on the eyes and all weather ready. Pair it up with a Nightforce SHV 3-10x42 IHR in Warne split medium rings on the factory rail. Low and tight to the receiver, it’s a great combo.

+10 points if you grab a PR Precision bottom metal to match.
 
I am hoping to buy my first hunting rifle (at an up coming gun show maybe) and trying to do some research, but I find it somewhat overwhelming. Up until now, I've been a restricted guy, but I'd like to expand & maybe get into hunting.

The choice was between a 30-06 or a .308, but I am leaning towards to 30-06.
Not looking for anything fancy, just functional and reliable & pretty accurate ... you could say a good, but 'budget' rifle and scope.
I do not want a synthetic stock.

One that keeps coming up in my searches is a Mossberg Patriot (walnut stock), which also comes with a cheap scope at one store (3-9x40mm ... brand?) for about $900

^ Is this gun any good?
What brands should I avoid?
Will I have to register if I buy brand new from a dealer?

Keep in mind that this is more about having it (for now) and not regretting buying one later (when it might be too late), but I have been thinking about trying hunting for the last few years, so hopefully this will give me a push.

6Gun

The recoil of the 308 is less then a 30-06. Many do not think that the Mossberg rifles aren't that good. So something to consider is a Weatherby Vanguard. Nice design, not too expensive and can be had with a 24 inch barrel. Also another rifle to consider is the Winchester M-70 Alaskan in 30-06 with a 25 inch barrel and is 8.8 lbs. You'd get the full velocity out of that barrel; and with the weight it would tame the recoil down a tad. Definitely a Life-time rifle. In an older rifle I'd look at Sako AV in 30-06. Very well designed hunting rifle that does what it's supposed to do.
I have a Smith & Wesson 1500 (same as the Howa 1500 and Vanguard) in 30-06. It was made in about 1981. I also have a Vanguard Obsidian ( same design as the Howa 1500 and S&W 1500) in 308 Win. The S&W is a much nicer finished gun and still shoots 1 MOA. The Vanguard I get about 0.75-0.8 MOA, both with my handloads. I do notice the difference in recoil between the two. I also like the short action of the 308 Win. The 308 Win will be sufficient for all game in BC, except Pink Mountain Bison. I am a fan of the Howa 1500 platform, very good value.

308 Win. will be fractionally cheaper to shoot.

I don't know much about the Mossberg Patriot. Mossberg did at one time also sell a rebranded Howa 1500 and called it the Mossberg 1500.... just like S&W.
 
My first hunting rifle was a new Win 94 A/E and paid $349 from Dave @ Reliable Gun and Tackle back in 1982.
They are a family run business today still.
As bear hunter suggested check out any or all of them and find exactly what you are looking for .
I’m pretty certain you will find something of interest… actually how about the Browning Safari in the EE for under 1k
If I don’t already have a 7x64 I would be all over it:)
lol aging yourself a bit there 😜. Us young bucks only wish the prices were still that low nowadays 😂
 
I would go use and find something you like, husqvarna 1640 and 1900 are awesome rifles but a lot of them at the few used gun stores suggested above are pretty beat up! They will still shoot plenty good enough but they are not as pretty as one you can find used from a private sale imo.
The EE here has lots of great rifles, there is what looks like a new old stock Remington 700 wood and blue with iron sights for $900! And that Ruger m77mkII that I’m selling. And I’m sure lots more out there!!
 
Totally agree with Husky 1640. Owned a few over the years. Flawless cycling and great hunting guns. They are guns meant to be carried and hunted. I have owned numerous 30-06 over the years as well as 308 Win. I handload everything and as a result prefer the 30-06. I do still own a couple 308 Win as well.

I like the fact that I have the extra case capacity to run my handloads at where the 30-06 can stretch its legs. My current 30-06 rifles I own include a BRNO ZKK with the pop up peeps. It’s a beautiful stalking rifle and shoots consistent 3/4 inch groups or less with the Sierra 165. I run Vihtavouri N150 around 2820 fps with this load. My other 06 is a Tikka Veil 20 inch barrel that I just picked up as I could not pass up the excellent sale at my local gun store. I’ve only shot about 3 different loads through it but with the Sierra 165 TGK and H4350, I am getting 2910fps and near half inch groups. You can almost never go wrong with a Tikka.

I load my 06 rifles to around an estimated 62000 PSI based on Gordan’s reloading tool. With any of the guns mentioned in the thread, this is perfectly safe. This is really where you see the true difference between the 30-06 and the 308Win. Guys who tell you that they can get the same velocities are lying. You can’t get around physics. If I run higher pressures or burn more powder, I’ll get more speed. What you may loose is efficiency. Will the deer care, nope.

If you don’t handload, 308 Win probably makes more sense as you can shoot cheaper and hence shoot more, which is always good. But hey, if you don’t handload, you should;)

Good luck on your quest!
 
I am hoping to buy my first hunting rifle (at an up coming gun show maybe) and trying to do some research, but I find it somewhat overwhelming. Up until now, I've been a restricted guy, but I'd like to expand & maybe get into hunting.

The choice was between a 30-06 or a .308, but I am leaning towards to 30-06.
Not looking for anything fancy, just functional and reliable & pretty accurate ... you could say a good, but 'budget' rifle and scope.
I do not want a synthetic stock.

One that keeps coming up in my searches is a Mossberg Patriot (walnut stock), which also comes with a cheap scope at one store (3-9x40mm ... brand?) for about $900

^ Is this gun any good?
What brands should I avoid?
Will I have to register if I buy brand new from a dealer?

Keep in mind that this is more about having it (for now) and not regretting buying one later (when it might be too late), but I have been thinking about trying hunting for the last few years, so hopefully this will give me a push.

6Gun
Cheers Sixer... I've been reading your posts for some time now... though most have been in the music lounge..
I'm a little confused regarding your question about having to register? just to let you know.... any above board transfer leaves a trail.. technically not a reggie but a trace... that can be looked into if warranted. That's not new... But your talking about a hunting rifle for hunting right? We all have paranoia these days.... So unless your buying a relic from an old timer in person.... well big brother can follow the trail...
As far as the patriot goes I can only regurgitate stuff I've heard... mostly poor.. but for the price point what can you expect?
I thought I saw a wood stock Win XPR the other day that made me think a bit but it was a different caliber to what your talking about. The Savage I mentioned in my previous post is a pretty good bang for buck thing.. I really like the stock and I'm not a wood guy... Pretty vertical grip, high cheek rest very nice recoil pad. Looks awesome for the price.. Cheers
 
Was never a Sav fan, but just picked up a new Axis XP in 243 for daughter in law. I mounted a scope & played with it a bit, the trigger thingy is weird but works very good after I adjusted the trigger pull down to 3-1/4lbs, the mag clicks in very solid, the bolt is pretty smooth after cycling it a number of times, the vertical grip is really nice. Not sure how it shoots, just got it on paper for her, & the recoil pad makes it feel like a 223 instead of 243. I believe I'd go that route if I needed a new gun & didn't want to pay double the price for a Tikka.
 
I agree that the savage in the video looks good… that said vertical grip ain’t for everyone, I can’t stand them, I find them awkward in hunting situations, I’m sure they have a reason to be but not for me!
 
What animals are you hunting?
What type of terrain?
I live in the same valley as you, so local game. That said, hunting might involve some travel, but not too far. I think I would want to go with a mentor-type experienced hunter the first time. Not ashamed to admit that there are things I could/should learn. Last thing I want is to be a 'bad' hunter.

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Cheers Sixer... I've been reading your posts for some time now... though most have been in the music lounge..
I'm a little confused regarding your question about having to register? just to let you know.... any above board transfer leaves a trail.. technically not a reggie but a trace... that can be looked into if warranted. That's not new... But your talking about a hunting rifle for hunting right? We all have paranoia these days.... So unless your buying a relic from an old timer in person.... well big brother can follow the trail...
As far as the patriot goes I can only regurgitate stuff I've heard... mostly poor.. but for the price point what can you expect?
I thought I saw a wood stock Win XPR the other day that made me think a bit but it was a different caliber to what your talking about. The Savage I mentioned in my previous post is a pretty good bang for buck thing.. I really like the stock and I'm not a wood guy... Pretty vertical grip, high cheek rest very nice recoil pad. Looks awesome for the price.. Cheers
You answered my question re: registration. I knew that the registry was 'gone', but wasn't completely sure where the info goes when a dealer collects it.
That savage is a pretty good deal ... however, I 'might' have already made a deal via PM ...

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My 600 in 30-06 (no pop up peep sight :() is on the top, above it's brothers......

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Buy a Tikka T3X in 30-06 and call it a day...

I found myself in possession of my 1st Tikka when my wife asked me what I wanted for Xmas & Cabelas had a Wild Wednesday deal on them... Throughout the day I looked at the Tikka Special Edition T3x SuperLite in TrueTimber VSX & put it in my basket, removed it etc... Next thing you know, I had an email with a CurbSide Pickup 10% coupon & the deal was sealed.

All to say, I absolutely love my Tikka T3X SuperLite in 30-06 BUT BE CAREFUL!!! They multiply... 7mmm Rem Mag Alpine Veil and 300 WSM Lite followed shortly thereafter... LOL

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I am hoping to buy my first hunting rifle (at an up coming gun show maybe) and trying to do some research, but I find it somewhat overwhelming. Up until now, I've been a restricted guy, but I'd like to expand & maybe get into hunting.

The choice was between a 30-06 or a .308, but I am leaning towards to 30-06.
Not looking for anything fancy, just functional and reliable & pretty accurate ... you could say a good, but 'budget' rifle and scope.
I do not want a synthetic stock.

One that keeps coming up in my searches is a Mossberg Patriot (walnut stock), which also comes with a cheap scope at one store (3-9x40mm ... brand?) for about $900

^ Is this gun any good?
What brands should I avoid?
Will I have to register if I buy brand new from a dealer?

Keep in mind that this is more about having it (for now) and not regretting buying one later (when it might be too late), but I have been thinking about trying hunting for the last few years, so hopefully this will give me a push.

6Gun


My first question to everyone who want to buy their first rifle is "what problem are you trying to solve?"

I have found that most people looking to purchase a 30-06 as a first rifle (at least you didn't say 300 Win mag) are enamored by the history and legend of the cartridge... not the practical side of it. Not that there is anything necessarily wrong with it, but that it was designed in a different time, chambered in different rifles and used by people of a different mindset.

Given that you are in BC, that does narrow the scope a bit. Western prairie provinces probably demand a different consideration... and you can adapt some of the requirements of flat open shooting to the BC interior and Eastern Ontario easier than the reverse. Here 270>30-30.

If your goal is hunting, i would strongly encourage you to pick a cartridge for shooting and practicing now, with enough capacity to shoot whatever you might want in the future... be realistic here... If Grizzlies are on your radar.... you probably want MORE than a 30-06. If deer is all you want to pursue... 30-06 is fine... but, less is more in this equation. Hunting is weeks of prep, time in the woods, walking, scouting and preparing to land one precise shot as naturally as breathing, under an number of unknown and unpredictable conditions (weather, range, speed, stress, adrenaline, etc etc.) The rifle you shoot... a lot... and master... creates far less friction, than one you do not shoot, due to ammo cost, recoil, flinch, etc.
I've seen more than one person (myself included in my youth and inexperience) purchase a rifle with too much power, in an incompatible package, and pay for it down the road over and over again. You cannot cheat physics, you can only decide where the cost is paid.

Now, if you do choose 30-06 or other full power cartridge and a 6-6.5 lbs rifle, with a thin barrel, and a flexible stock.

Physics will collect through recoil, blast, flinch, poor accuracy and overall a poor shooting experience and lack of practice.

Now you fight back with a heavier rifle, which pretty much takes all of the budget rifles off the table. Save maybe one. Now, I know you are thinking... but XYZ Youtuber reviewed the XYZ budget rifle and said it was good to go.

Consider 2 things... they shoot... a lot... or at least they do on TV. So they can compensate for things the beginner shooter has not yet learned... also... nobody is reviewing budget rifles in 30-06... otherwise they would be saying the stock is too flimsy... accuracy is bad... blah blah blah... They are reviewing them in 6.5 Creedmoor or MAYBE 308.

Speaking of 308... while 30-06 does offer a higher performance ceiling with handloading... that also increases those nasty physics side effects. As it stands, all things being equal, factory 30-06 produces 10-20% more recoil impulse over a 308... in a 10 lb rifle, that is trivial. In a 6lb rifle... not so much. However, the 308 offers a ton of factory loadings... in all manner of bullet weights, as well as surplus/ball ammo for practice, and reduced recoil, etc etc.

For hunting... i much prefer a tang safety and a detachable magazine. Most people agree on the tang safety... the magazine is a long drawn out debate... not getting into that here... but consider the conditions you will likely hunt in.

Optics.... the scope on your rifle ultimately has far more bearing on the success of your hunt than the cartridge the rifle is chambered in. I can take a long range, flat shooting, 7mm wonder mag, into the thick timber, and the biggest limiting factor will be the optic on top. Avoid anything that comes as a scope on a package rifle... this is a throw away item. You can spend $2-300 on a scope, stick it on the cheapest $500 factory rifle and you will be MILES ahead of a $900 "package" with a scope that you cannot see clearly out of when the sun goes behind a cloud... is constantly fogged up, etc. Just do not do it to yourself.

If you are set on 30-06, and trying to save money... here are my recommendations.

New Rifle:
Savage 334. While a little funky in some aspects... the trigger being the biggest downside, (though a good gunsmith can fix most of the issues for little $) they shoot well, are robust and have a much stiffer stock (polymer, also available in wood) than the Patriot from Mossberg (i really wish they would just stick to shotguns), Savage (think Axis), Ruger, Remington, etc. etc.

Used rifle:
Any of the OG original rifles from Remington, Stevens, Ruger, etc. Although the better versions do command a premium these days. This is where real wood, fixed floor plates, CRF, etc lives. Solid, robust. Classic.

Now.. once other cartridges enter the equation, things open up a lot.

308
New Rifle:
Once again the savage 334, but also the Model 10/11 in all manner of iterations and permutations. I still usually steer new shooters away from anything with a lighter flimsy stock with 308... it is manageable, but you are still fighting physics. Newer iterations of the Ruger American Gen 2 and Savage Axis are "ok" but the cost gets up there quickly.

Do not pass over the CVA Scout single shot either. These are fantastic little rifles that shoot well... though a little punishing on the recoil when it comes to 308, with reduced recoil loads, these are an excellent option. Even better when you get down below.

Used rifle:
This opens a lot. Savage 10 again. The OG Savage hog hunter, with the fixed floorplate and iron sites can usually be found at the price of an entry level new rifle and is leaps and bounds above them. All the older options also stand out... and now you can find some gems in brands like Tikka.

If other cartridges are a consideration (think 243, 6 and 6.5mm Creedmoor, 7mm-08 etc) you can legitimately open the floor to any rifle...new or used; though i would never recommend a Mossberg... i would stick to Ruger, Winchester, some models of Savage (try to stay away from the Axis), CVA (Scout single shot and their bolt action) lots of people like Howa... i do not for various reasons. If you can swing Tikka... it's a one and done. You will never need another rifle... (lets not talk about want) Pick whatever fits you and your budget that FEELS right. The rifle you like, is one you are more likely to shoot.

Having said that.. out of the 4 "other" cartridges i mentioned... your most "efficient" option is the 6.5 Creed. Despite all the hate it gets... it's popularity has the upside of producing infinite options when it comes to rifles, ammo choice, price, etc. Factory ammo is about as cheap as it gets for centerfire cartridges... with only 308 edging it out, due to age and the availability of surplus/ball ammo. With proper ammo choice, you can get up to Elk with this cartridge. With some caveats.

One last circle back to optics before i answer your last questions.
Do not skimp here. More hunts have been lost to crappy optics than probably any other gear related factor. Burris Fullfield E1, Bushnell... Sig, lots of good solid options here for under $300 and the used market has lots of options.

Final note: You will not have to register your hunting rifle... however the standard PAL check is required... and all your purchase info is recorded by the dealer... a registry that is not a registry... take that for what you will.

Final Final note. This stuff can be overwhelming... so try and think of it as "task, purpose, correct tool. At the end of the day, it's not that serious. Good luck and have fun.
 
There's something called a Mauser M-18 that seems priced really well if you look around. It has a slower twist (1 in 11), but apparently will be fine for up to 180 grain bullets. You see them for $650 new at certain places.
 
I live in the same valley as you, so local game. That said, hunting might involve some travel, but not too far. I think I would want to go with a mentor-type experienced hunter the first time. Not ashamed to admit that there are things I could/should learn. Last thing I want is to be a 'bad' hunter.

6Gun
If you’re going to go for deer, elk, moose. I really like 30-06. I use a 165 grain for deer and 180 grain for elk/moose.

Listen to the troops here. Get a Tikka T3X lite in stainless.

If you want to save some coin. Howa 1500. It’s a great great rifle.

If elk and moose aren’t of interest, I personally really like 7mm-08.

For scopes. I’m a big fan of Athlon. Great bang for the buck. I prefer high magnification; but they have great options in the 4-15x range as well.

I almost exclusively buy scope used on this site or gun post . Ca
 
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