Scout Rifle Fail?

Well I expected this thread to be an offgassing sillyass bear defence style deal....

A fun revisit of the Scout rifle and some great opinions and feedback....really enjoying it 👏

Ill start by agreeing with a lot here that the scout rifle concept was initially very alluring ....and I initially dove in hard both enamoured of the concept/philosophy.....horned up by the look and feel....always a sucker for a compact light rifle.....and was a keen reader and admirer of Coopers writings.

Built a few project rifles ....then moved on when some reasonably competent offerings emerged from the mainstream makers .....

Never warmed up to the long eye relief concept
Rifle handling/balance...accuracy or even speed of use were all poor for me ....and I am an accomplished rifleman.

I always ended up scrapping the forward mount and went back to an action mounted low power scope ....and also quickly realized that any variable optic was to bulky/heavy/snaggy so sought out 1in tube fixed power short scopes

As for the rest of the scout rifle concept ....yes a barrel 16~18in sporter or actually slightly heavier profile was ideal....a trim but solid quality stock.....
As mentioned by someone here previously a quality box mag setup was ideal ....negates the need for stripper clips...

Quality backup iron sights were always a problem to adapt or even source aftermarket ....it was one thing a few of the manufactures did well with their Scout rifles

For me personally ....having good eyesight and military training/background I could have/would be fine with quality peep iron sights only


After building/buying several Scout rifles over the yrs ....I have ended up with several Ruger American Ranch rifles..... 6 rifles in total ....3 in 556 and 3 in 762rusky

I came to the conclusion that these cartridges are capable enough for the role of a Scout rifle for me ....and are affordable/widely available which makes practice and frequent shooting possible ....can carry a reasonable ammo load on person and or stowed away too.

A fixed 4power 1in scope conventionally mounted
A compact red dot mounted forward of the action but still on the receiver
A peep iron sighted only setup

These are light/compact/fast handling/reliable/durable/mag fed accurate rifles that are inexpensive to buy/own/maintain and fire the two most available/affordable to me cartridges that are capable enough to hunt/defend/offend for my needs.

Having multiple rifles of the same pattern affords redundancy of parts and or simply transitioning from one to the other when needed.


I do still have a Ruger Scout in 308 ....a tad heavy and clunky handling but screams Ruger quality/durablity .....has a very good set of iron sights and 308 authority if that is a concern ....which to me would only be if large dangerous predators were in the mix .....but I dont live/play where that is a concern.


On another note....:sadly the political/legal situation in Canada has deteriorated to what it currently is .....so the Scout rifle concept makes more sense than ever if one chooses to remain compliant with the current boot on the neck


One of the most important perals of the Scout rifle concept was philosophy of use ....skill at arms and proficiency with the chosen weapon ....much like Coopers pistol doctrine

A quality firearm of sufficient cartridge....configured/carried in a manner that can be quickly/accurately brought into action by a practised/competent user

With the above mindset and competence .....a Scout rifle can be physically variable
 
Well I expected this thread to be an offgassing sillyass bear defence style deal....
Lol, awesome. But, hey...it's not too late...I'm sure we can still steer in that direction...:)


Never warmed up to the long eye relief concept...ended up scrapping the forward mount and went back to an action mounted low power scope ....and also quickly realized that any variable optic was to bulky/heavy/snaggy so sought out 1in tube fixed power short scopes.
IMHO a scout rifle benefits from the option of easily changeable optic setups for different roles. My Steyr is so comfortable and familiar to me that it I will often carry it hunting, or bring it along as my "+2" or backup rifle on hunts with other guns. I know Cooper didn't really mention this, but that's okay; it's my rifle so I can modify his ideas any which way I want. So I can swap in a lightweight fixed or variable standard-mounted scope for some hunts, and then go back to the IER scope for general fun afterwards. And a QD-mounted red dot scope is an easy thing to toss into a pocket as an emergency backup optic; I've never needed it, but it inspires a feeling of confidence which is always beneficial.

And yeah, I insist upon the backup iron sights. Again, a confidence thing. My eyes are getting to the point where open sights are less and less usable, bu I can still manage with an aperture. I really love Steyr's take on backup sights. They're quite effective when needed, but completely invisible and out of the way otherwise.


One of the most important petals of the Scout rifle concept was philosophy of use ....skill at arms and proficiency with the chosen weapon ....much like Coopers pistol doctrine

A quality firearm of sufficient cartridge....configured/carried in a manner that can be quickly/accurately brought into action by a practised/competent user

With the above mindset and competence .....a Scout rifle can be physically variable
Absolutely! But...oh my god...did you use the "W" word? Calling a rifle a "weapon"?!?!?

That's a prime CGN no-no; you're gonna get your peepee slapped...:rolleyes::ROFLMAO:
 
"... On another note....:sadly the political/legal situation in Canada has deteriorated to what it currently is .....so the Scout rifle concept makes more sense than ever ... "
It does. And it will even after it will have been banned for the serfs.

In the People's Republik of Kanuckistan, serfs - also called "civilians" - will not be allowed to own or possess firearms. No firearms. None
 
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