Antique status colt saa

jord21 said:
Thanks for the responses guys. I agree it is antique, this local gunsmith keeps going back to the old adage of “44 special is readily available”….

I brought him a print out of the FRT from armalytics, showed him the rcmp website, brought a colt letter stating it was 41 colt originally, showed him the NFA website stating antique laws.

I’m certain of what I have and know I am following the law. I am hoping someone on here has a letter with a colt in 44 special just to show him. I believe he is going to verify it as an antique, which still doesn’t mean anything to the average rcmp officer, I know the letter from them is not a requirement bought I had the gun there anyways so I figured I would just get it verified and if I choose to send in the info at a later date I can.

Does anyone have a copy?

What is the actual difference between the FRT and FRN?
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Why waste all this 'time' & possibly~money? On some lDI0T 'gun smith' who doesn't know a hole in the wall from his ass on this Antique. Jumping through hoops .. Quit with this 'guy" while you're ahead.
It's Antique, as per the definition. Why are you worried about some 'random' rcmp for....why would a 'LEO" even have it in its hands?
 
toxic said:
I can tell you that there is at least one entry for a Webley in .45 ACP that is listed as antique...
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See my post #2. I'm very aware.

How does that apply? 455 is not a no go caliber.

An example of an approved no go converted would be a saa in 45colt converted to 455eley and approved as antique. But from what I know those are no longer being approved.
 
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sbe said:
I found this - this is from FRT table for Colt 1873 - 44spl is there as antique.
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Thanks, I actually brought this to him highlighted….
I spoke with him today, he called the rcmp firearms lab. They told him “yes, it’s good to go, still antique”. I’ll get my verification letter from him this weekend, still undecided if I will send any for the rcmp letter. It’s not required as we all know but o thought it would be a nice thing to have while out and about. Although I will pick my places wisely.
 
Johnyy said:
Why waste all this 'time' & possibly~money? On some lDI0T 'gun smith' who doesn't know a hole in the wall from his ass on this Antique. Jumping through hoops .. Quit with this 'guy" while you're ahead.
It's Antique, as per the definition. Why are you worried about some 'random' rcmp for....why would a 'LEO" even have it in its hands?
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I’ve run into the CO and rcmp together in the middle of nowhere where before. I know the law and know that it’s antique but I don’t want to have to prove that in court.
 
sbe said:
I found this - this is from FRT table for Colt 1873 - 44spl is there as antique.
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Sure enough there it is. Funny it didn't come up on a search for me yesterday. This note in the FRT should everything the OP's gunsmith needs to see:
  • some examples of this model, when manufactured prior to 1898, are considered "Antique" in Canada.
  • NOTE: - there is no provision in the Antique Firearms Regulations that prevents a genuine Antique firearm from having the calibre of cartridge it utilizes changed and retain antique status under certain circumstances. The calibre change to 38 Special, 357 Magnum or 45 AUTO does not disqualify a firearm from being antique because these calibres are not excluded calibres in the Regulations Prescribing Antique Firearms (SOR - 464). This is true even though cartridges in these calibres did not exist before 1898.
 
sbe said:
Don’t hold your breath I have had a gun waiting for papers from RCMP idiots for 4 years. Your gun is antique you have no worries.
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You have to get on them, i keep calling weekly until I get them. It usually takes a few months still
 
toxic said:
Sure enough there it is. Funny it didn't come up on a search for me yesterday. This note in the FRT should everything the OP's gunsmith needs to see:
  • some examples of this model, when manufactured prior to 1898, are considered "Antique" in Canada.
  • NOTE: - there is no provision in the Antique Firearms Regulations that prevents a genuine Antique firearm from having the calibre of cartridge it utilizes changed and retain antique status under certain circumstances. The calibre change to 38 Special, 357 Magnum or 45 AUTO does not disqualify a firearm from being antique because these calibres are not excluded calibres in the Regulations Prescribing Antique Firearms (SOR - 464). This is true even though cartridges in these calibres did not exist before 1898.
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Yep! This is it! I didn’t print off the whole thing and left this out. If I had brought home this it would’ve made things easier, thank you.

Update. He has verified it as an antique which we all know is correct.

Thanks for the help everyone.
 
In order to get the RCMP to approve your SAA you will need the Colt Factory letter stating that yours was originally made in a compliant caliber, before 1 January, 1898. You state that yours began life as a .41 LC - how do you know that? You need to be able to prove it to the Technical Division. Nothing else counts.
 
Old Guns Canada said:
In order to get the RCMP to approve your SAA you will need the Colt Factory letter stating that yours was originally made in a compliant caliber, before 1 January, 1898. You state that yours began life as a .41 LC - how do you know that? You need to be able to prove it to the Technical Division. Nothing else counts.
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Hi Chris, I was actually thinking of calling you. I do have the Colt factory letter stating the caliber was 41 Colt when shipped, and the shipping date in 1895. I actually bought it out of Texas and imported it when it was 41 Colt post handgun freeze. I had it converted to 44 special by a gunsmith. It shot perfectly but I wasn’t happy with the frame being blued so I have had it taken apart and I have sent the frame, hammer and loading gate to Oskar Kob to be CCH. Once it is all done I was thinking of getting a RCMP letter.

The smith/verifier verified it as an antique while assembled (before stripping it down to be sent to Oskar) in 44 special as an antique. I guess once it is assembled I will take pictures and send them in along with the verification?
 
You are all good then. Doesn't matter what you do to the gun as long as you can prove the original antique status, and you do not change it into one of the "no-go" calibers. It would be good to have the antique letter, especially when it looks new again, and in a caliber the authorities may not know is legal for antiques.
 
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