Anyone get scammed selling on CGN?

Longstud said:
I’ve done thousands of emt both ways, once the money has been deposited there is no way of it being removed other than you removing it. I have a hard time thinking it’s scam when you’ve been paid and the money deposited. If it was that easy this would have happened many times! Has anyone on here EVER had a deposited EMT removed from their account ?? I highly doubt it …
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^^. I would go with this - similar experience - the EMT Sender can CANCEL the EMT before it gets deposited, but once it is deposited, that is it. Even the bank will not get it back. Like handing cash to a stranger - you usually won't get it back, unless he gives it to you. So far as I know, an EMT can not be faked - funds are withdrawn from my account before the EMT has been sent - it is not like a "cheque". Although someone could access another person's bank account and send an EMT from there to you - but what you get is the same as "cash-in-hand" - or, so I believe.
 
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Potashminer said:
^^. I would go with this - similar experience - the EMT Sender can CANCEL the EMT before it gets deposited, but once it is deposited, that is it. Even the bank will not get it back. Like handing cash to a stranger - you usually won't get it back, unless he gives it to you. So far as I know, an EMT can not be faked - funds are withdrawn from my account before the EMT has been sent - it is not like a "cheque". Although someone could access another person's bank account and send an EMT from there to you - but what you get is the same as "cash-in-hand" - or, so I believe.
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Auto deposit is the best and super easy to set up!! If you checked the pal info and it cleared and you have been paid, just smile and think you were paid the extra for aggregation or he wanted to make sure of aquiring the gun! I wouldn’t worry about it!! Ok OP, what are you replacing it with??
 
Longstud said:
Auto deposit is the best and super easy to set up!! If you checked the pal info and it cleared and you have been paid, just smile and think you were paid the extra for aggregation or he wanted to make sure of aquiring the gun! I wouldn’t worry about it!! Ok OP, what are you replacing it with??
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Replacing it with…shop equipment to make life easier; I had two of the one I sold, keeping the other. I do use auto-deposit. Only way to fly that particular bird…
Thx
 
49Reo said:
So I had a rifle listed. Buyer asked what the best I could do was, I told him the asking price plus shipping. Said he can’t do that. A few days later asked the best I could do; I came down a bit, with shipping, 5 days later he offers MORE than I said I would sell to him shipped. His PAL info (no pic, just the info) verified but got a kind ‘bad’ feeling I may be getting set up for some kind of scam or something. He already sent payment, which is actually overpayment. Couldn’t convince him to just pay what i quoted..
Any ideas, anyone? I’ve never run in to this kind of scenario before…kind of a ‘too good to be true’ thing if you know what I mean…
Tia, all.
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call up the cfo ask for the name of the pal. match it to the payee. if it doesnt match call up the rcmp and tell them you have a juicy weapons and fraud case on their hands and someone to look into. probably they do nothing, maybe 70/30 odds.
 
Longstud said:
I’ve done thousands of emt both ways, once the money has been deposited there is no way of it being removed other than you removing it. I have a hard time thinking it’s scam when you’ve been paid and the money deposited. If it was that easy this would have happened many times! Has anyone on here EVER had a deposited EMT removed from their account ?? I highly doubt it …
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CORRECT ! and NEVER ! (y)
 
mephisto002 said:
Once you verify someone's PAL, you will get the full name of the person the PAL belongs to.

When you receive an EMT, it usually states the name of the sender, and if both names are the same, then there is no problem.
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hoobdydyadad said:
call up the cfo ask for the name of the pal. match it to the payee. if it doesnt match call up the rcmp and tell them you have a juicy weapons and fraud case on their hands and someone to look into. probably they do nothing, maybe 70/30 odds.
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If doing this and calling the CFP for confirmation, maybe mention the shipping address you got from the buyer and ask if they can confirm (likely just a yes/no due to privacy) if it matches the address(es) on file
 
aboynamedsuita said:
If doing this and calling the CFP for confirmation, maybe mention the shipping address you got from the buyer and ask if they can confirm (likely just a yes/no due to privacy) if it matches the address(es) on file
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Why would a Seller care about a "shipping address"? - the private Seller's obligation is to verify that the PAL is valid, and that private Seller has done so, and has received payment for the goods. So, where does it say that the private Seller must ALSO verify the shipping address? How is that to be done? For how long is that information going to be retained by the private Seller - where and how? I am not sure it is even a problem if another person pays for the purchase, so long as the PAL checked out. I know I have sent EMT payments, many times, to a particular PAL holder's Mom - and I got the items that I paid for, but not from the Mom. And that PAL holder has received items from me.
 
For those that have not done so, when someone "runs" your PAL number - you get an obtuse email from RCMP to log into your account with them. The last time I did so, perhaps about 25 or 30 people had run my PAL number at one time or another - their names were showing to me - I presume they have my name, since I gave it to them. And my email address with RCMP. And my birth date. And my PAL number. Some of those 25 or 30 "verifications" were still valid - most had expired. My PAL card has a "clean shaven" me, and my Manitoba Driver Licence has a bearded me - so I presume most people are trained to recognize and compare pictures to know that each is a picture of the same person. The "kid" at the Canadian Tire store seemed okay with my PAL card when I bought some rimfire ammo there; the cop seemed okay with my Driver's Licence when he pulled me over for speeding - I got a "ticket" from him - the Cop DID NOT ask to see my PAL, and the "kid" at Canadian Tire DID NOT ask to see my Driver's Licence - neither did the girl at the till that "rang up" my purchase..
 
Potashminer said:
Why would a Seller care about a "shipping address"? - the private Seller's obligation is to verify that the PAL is valid, and that private Seller has done so, and has received payment for the goods. So, where does it say that the private Seller must ALSO verify the shipping address? How is that to be done? For how long is that information going to be retained by the private Seller - where and how? I am not sure it is even a problem if another person pays for the purchase, so long as the PAL checked out. I know I have sent EMT payments, many times, to a particular PAL holder's Mom - and I got the items that I paid for, but not from the Mom. And that PAL holder has received items from me.
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The OP was concerned about getting scammed, and this is not an in-person sale since the discussion of shipping came up, so an address is required either way. It is an option to call CFP to get a reference number instead of the online process, and it is also a requirement for “a declaration that the transferor (seller) has taken reasonable steps to verify that the transferee (buyer) is the holder of the licence that is the subject of the reference number request” regardless of which method is used.

While the “reasonable steps” process is sort of spelled out on the website ( https://rcmp.ca/en/firearms/buying-and-selling-transferring-firearms#s2 ) for transfers that do not take place in-person (video call, picture of a secondary ID, etc.), if someone in the OP’s situation were calling anyway and had concerns, this may be an option to ensure everything checks out. While it is more than the minimum, ensuring the requested shipping address is actually associated with the PAL holder is an extra layer of security for someone in the OP’s situation.

I do agree about the payment aspect since that is separate from the PAL verification (in an extreme case, it could be a “free” firearm with no $ being sent), but suppose a wallet with PAL card and other ID is stolen but not reported immediately (for whatever reason). A fraudster could send a picture of the PAL and other ID like a passport without an address, and give a bogus address to the seller for shipping. The “buyer’s” PAL would checkout as valid and the seller would have taken their “reasonable steps” (and even get their EMT if a sale).

This is just an extra step the OP could consider if worried about getting scammed or concerns on their conscience about situation.
 
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