.30cal mouse fart loads?

maybe find a copy of an old Ideal or Lyman reloading book from the 50's for loads with pistol bullets or round balls
maybe a light bullet but speeds are usually fast
 
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Garand said:
I'm in the same boat as you, I have about 1,400 Campro 110 grain bullets for my M1 Carbines. I had good luck using them with 8.6 grains of Unique in my .30/30 about 2 years ago. The moved down range at 1,480 fps and gave 1 1/4" groups at 50 yds. Unfortunately these days it is easier to find an honest Liberal politician than it is to find a pound of Unique.

About 1/2 an hour ago I just finished making up 120 rds of .30/30 using 110 grain Campro bullets with 3 different loads of Tite Group, W231 and IMR 4227. 40 rds each, 10 for chrono, 4x 3rd groups at 25 yds and 4x 3rd groups at 50 yds. Since it snowed out here today it looks like I won't hit the range till next week or so.
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If you're comfortable with sharing, I'd like to know how you make out with titegroup and 231 especially.

Thank you to the rest for replies. I may have a lead on an ancient pound of Red Dot, so there's hope there.

Otherwise I dug out my fathers really old Lyman manuals - #44-#46 and I might have some workable data for 2400 and SR4759, along with 4227.

When I was a kid I know he used to load 150Gr cast in 30-30 with *I Think* about 18gr of 2400

Speaking of the .303 and 7.62 Russian I recall that I did buy .32 cal Campro's a number of years ago that I had planned to try swaging down to .30cal for my C96 Mauser. Since our dear friends at Campro now make a suitable bullet for that gun I have those to do something with.

I don't expect either to do particularly well in the rifles - they're only 85gr, if I recall. Can't hurt to try, though.
 
The way the weather has been here I doubt I'm even getting out for rifle until mid May. I'd like the snow and muck to be gone
 
Mark-II said:
I'd like to run things somewhere between 900-1200fps. I'm only looking at shooting 50-75 yards with them.

I want to use faster powder - I have RL7, 2400, 4227, lil'gun, Longshot, Power Pistol, Titegroup, Bullseye.

I *don't* have any of the Alliant flake powders like Unique or Red Dot.

Anyone with any experience with the listed powders (or even some faster powders that are actually available these days - I'll buy a pound to play with)?
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The single best powder for true mouse fart loads is Trailboss. Basically work out how much powder you can fit under the bullet, without compressing the load and that will work.

Otherwise, a fast burning, fluffy powder like Bullseye, Unique, Clays are your best bet.


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trouble with most mouse-farts is the poor powder position sensitivity, and troubles like detonation and barrel bulges
using a filler to hold powder to the primer is always a good idea
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A little bit of toilet paper on top of the powder solves the problem of powder positioning in a larger case.

The other problem with jacketed mouse fart loads is that of sticking the bullet in a dirty bore. Cast bullets are naturally lubed, but jacketed bullets can easily stick in the bore if it is dirty. Keep the bore cleanish and somewhat lubed and that shouldn't happen.

I once stuck a 30 cal subsonic tracer in a longer barrel. I could hear the thing sizzling and not be able to do anything about it.
 
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Otherwise, a fast burning, fluffy powder like Bullseye, Unique, Clays are your best bet.
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the Lee Dipper capacity chart is a good way to find bulkier powders, but there are several in the same fill rate as what are listed here
I tried to find data on powders as to position sensitivity to help with selection but nothing showed up for me so am going with a b.o.p. of using a filler
Unique always shows up when this topic does, but looking at it I think the name just gets parroted because its been used since Christ was a cowboy
 
Well we finally got some warm weather, and guess what, everyone and their kid brother decided to go to the range today. Looks like this is going to be a 2 range day visit. I did manage to chrono the 3 loads today so it is only shooting groups next trip.

Chrono Results: 110 grain CamPro bullets
01) Tite Group 8.0 grains : 10 rd average: 1,456.0 fps

02) IMR 4227 16.2 grains: 10 rd average: 1,559.7 fps

03) W231 8.0 grains: 10 rd average: 1309.1 fps

more to follow (hopefully soon)
 
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Mark-II said:
If you're comfortable with sharing, I'd like to know how you make out with titegroup and 231 especially.

Thank you to the rest for replies. I may have a lead on an ancient pound of Red Dot, so there's hope there.

Otherwise I dug out my fathers really old Lyman manuals - #44-#46 and I might have some workable data for 2400 and SR4759, along with 4227.

When I was a kid I know he used to load 150Gr cast in 30-30 with *I Think* about 18gr of 2400

Speaking of the .303 and 7.62 Russian I recall that I did buy .32 cal Campro's a number of years ago that I had planned to try swaging down to .30cal for my C96 Mauser. Since our dear friends at Campro now make a suitable bullet for that gun I have those to do something with.

I don't expect either to do particularly well in the rifles - they're only 85gr, if I recall. Can't hurt to try, though.
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My go to standard cast lead bullet is a 175 grain gas checked bullet from the Bullet Barn pushing 1577.6 fps with IMR 4227. At 100 yds it gave me groups of 01) 3" 02) 3" 03) 4" in a 125 year old Winchester M1894. I ran about 5 different cast lead bullets and learned one thing. For decent accuracy a Gas Check is mandatory! As for Red Dot, got some nice groups at 25 yds but I was lucky to hit a 18"x 24" target at 100 yds once per 3 rd groups.
 
I've done some testing with the Titegroup powder in the 30-30 and the 7.62x39, as well as 800x with the 30-30. You'll notice the sticky cartridge note in the picture, was probably a double charge, so sixteen grains is to much! 😳 but the accuracy was very good with the cam pro bullets. Buckshot balls, not so good.
 

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Results .30-30 using 110 grain CamPro FMJ

01) Tite Group 8.0 grains : 10 rd average: 1,456.0 fps
Best Group 25 yds: 1/2"
Best Group 50 yds: 1 1/4"
Note: Single hit on 6"x18" gong at 100 yds

02) IMR 4227 16.2 grains: 10 rd average: 1,559.7 fps
Best Group 25 yds: 1/2"
Best Group 50 yds: 2"
Note: Multiple hits on 6"x 18" gong at 100 yds.

03) W231 8.0 grains: 10 rd average: 1309.1 fps
Best Group 25 yds: 1 1/4"
Best Group 50 yds: 1 1/2"
Note: No hits on 6" x 18" gong at 100 yds.
 
I was fortunate enough to grab up 5lbs of SR 4759 years ago when they ran off a batch after it had been discontinued years earlier.
18 grs. of SR 4759 under 100gr XTP .32 cal. pistol bullets in my .303 Enfield move 1470 fps. I also use 18 grs. under a 95gr. 9mm Makorov in my 9.3x57 and 15 grs. under a 110gr. .30 bullet in a 30-30. Never chronied those but they all shoot great, the kids love hitting targets with "the big boy rifles".
 
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