Dropping powder from a dispenser

That's pretty impressive with irons!
Thanks, I used to be able to give the young guys a run for their money, but as age progresses, eyesight and joints deteriorate and I am only good enough to have fun, I am no longer competitive wit sling'n'irons.
These days I am shooting with a scope and bipod.
That group BTW was typical of the 50 combined weighed and thrown charges throughout the tests.
The three high ones BTW, consisted of two weighed and one thrown!
The whole thing was to see if I could shoot better with the weighed charges, proof that I could not outshoot that rifle.
Cat
 
I use several different IMR powders, all are a little tricky to throw as there are the double extruded base 'stick' powders.

H380 is easy to use as it is a flake like powder and meters easily, Winchester makes ball powders, I don't have any left but I did use some and it meters easily too.

When I set up my dispenser I set it to a half load and then throw the load twice into the pan, on the beam balance scale and then trickle it up to the load I want. So does this actually help, I doubt it and doing the 2 half loads is likely inducing more error as there is a smaller space for the powder and more area for the powder to hang up on. I just do it because that's what I got used to doing.

point is find what works for you, there really is no right answer.
 
IMR 4064 is the absolute worst powder to expect to run anywhere near consistently through any dispenser due to it`s shape and size.

I find IMR3031 to be one of the worst.

As everyone mentioned ball powders measure consistently, very consistently with a baffle. The short cut extruded powders measure decent. Regular powders have a decent variation, and long cut ones have a pretty big swing.

If I'm just plinking or just getting some trigger time in, I'll just run them through my cheap powder dispenser and load them fast. Get good SD's and sub MOA accuracy still. The larger the case capacity is, the less variation you will see. My 17Hornet sees big swings, my 300RUM with ten times the powder hardly sees any variation.
 
Previously, I tried all sorts of different methods of throwing charges. When I started, I used the Lee dippers. Then progressed to a balance scale. Years later, I bought a Chargemaster. I was great…fast…and I used it for years. My loads were accurate enough, but it bothered me that if I re-weighed some charges, it would never be the same as I dispensed. Plus it would “over throw” every 3rd or 4 load, so I spent time tweezing out kernels.

About 10 years ago, I got into long range and precision shooting. I thought I needed to do better on my reloading consistency. I got my hands on a used, high quality lab scale. So now I use the RCBS Uniflo powder dispenser to throw a lower than required charge and use an Area 419 manual trickier to top up. My loads are now very consistently within .02gr unless the I use large stick powder and then there will be a little more variation due to kernel size. I draw the line at cutting sticks to make exact weight. My time to dispense a charge (after I’m all set up) is less than 14 seconds/load which some might think is too slow. But I can live with it. The best part now…I can re-weigh charges and get the same result. My goal is to have an ES’s < 25 and SD’s < 10ft/sec. Often, (and depending on rifle and powder used) I’m seeing ES’s < 10 and SD’s < 4 for groups of 10 shots.
I know that this level of precision is not required for my hunting and most of my shooting, but sometimes OCD takes its toll!
The bottom line is: use whatever works for you…to whatever level of precision you need.
 
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How close is close enough? I'm using a rcbs uniflow using extruded imr 4064. Rcbs web site says to expect +- .3 to .5 I'm seeing bigger differences from the little bit I have used it. I have it set to 43gr. I drop it and weight the case with powder. Tare the case. Most of the time I'm dumping it back in. Are you using a trickler as well?
I use a trickler all the time
George
 
3031 meters like water compared to 4064. In my experience at least. I will use a thrower for 3031 and trust it for the 80-90% loads i typically run. I won't trust a thrower anywhere near max with 4064. It likes to spike and weights can be wayyyyy off. Neither are great through.


Crazy, must just be my powder measure then. 3031 in mine seems like the worst. I typically use my auto dispenser for both of those powders though.

Only thing I currently use 4064 in is the old lady's 243, and some lighter varmint rounds. 55-75 grain bullets shoot lights out with that powder, and that way I don't burn through all my Varget...
 
I don’t throw much cause I have the shytiest of thrower. I really need to get myself something better… what is a good reliable thrower?
 
How close is close enough? I'm using a rcbs uniflow using extruded imr 4064. Rcbs web site says to expect +- .3 to .5 I'm seeing bigger differences from the little bit I have used it. I have it set to 43gr. I drop it and weight the case with powder. Tare the case. Most of the time I'm dumping it back in. Are you using a trickler as well?
For F class competing to 1000yds, I am to +/- a kernel of Varget.

For S&G's, within 0.1gr... usually tighter cause I have the scale, dispenser to load to very small variation.

For large volume PD shooting and a ball powder like H335, I am using a Lee powder dispenser and it is getting +/- 0.1gr which is plenty good enough.

For any moderate to large cartridge I might use for hunting, I will try and keep to +/- 0.1gr cause it is not hard to do for the little volume I am shooting and it is nice to feel confident in that ammo should you need to take a poke at the other end of the clear cut.

Drop a lesser charge into a powder pan, put on your scale and trickle to weight. I would never weight a powder charge using the case I am going to shoot with. Cases vary ALOT in weight even if the volume is identical.

For extruded, I would even use a Lee dipper and then trickle to desired weight.

Jerry
 
Powder measures vary in quality, and of course the powder type can have a big impact on consistency. With my Harrel's measures and imr-4227, my dropped powder charges are more consistent than when using my rcbs chargemaster link due to drift.
Chris
 
I don’t throw much cause I have the shytiest of thrower. I really need to get myself something better… what is a good reliable thrower?
I own RCBS (x2), Lee (x2), Lyman, and Dillon (x3). RCBS and Lyman seem to work about the best. Used a Harrel for a while, not mine, and It was definitely a more accurate powder thrower. For classic stick powders (not the short cut stuff), I just use an electronic charge dispenser and check every 5th load against one of my RCBS scales (which are actually Ohaus if I remember correctly). For larger charges of stick that I am more concerned with an accurate measure, I just use a dipper to get it close and the trickle up to exact weight. - dan
 
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Been practicing a bit. Makes a difference. Tapping lightly a dozen or so times on the drum and moving the handle with a bit of authority gets pretty consistant throws. Tapping rapidly and lightly settles the sticks down into more consistent volumes
 
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