New Alberta Hunting Regs out today

[track]

lets not forget a lot of the mass immigrants believe the laws don't apply to them so they will hunt and fish without the applicable licenses or tags......

When the Yugoslav ended

lets not forget a lot of the mass immigrants believe the laws don't apply to them so they will hunt and fish without the applicable licenses or tags......

When the Yugoslave war ended, many immigrants were welcomed to Canada. Over the past 14 years, my son and I witnessed a group of Bosnians in the area, where we hunt deer. They had a camp of 5 camping trailers, with about 10 hunters. Almost every year they had 8 to 12 deer hanging on their hanging pole. They took full advantage of the supplimental doe tages. Today, a deer is rarely sighted.

My son and I had to scout for new territory because these idiots who decimated the deer. Finally, the incompetent government placed a stop in some areas, on the doe tags. Because of mass immigration, our country has suffered from empathy suicide, in various social, criminal and economic issues.

 

[Suther]

When the Yugoslav ended

When the Yugoslave war ended, many immigrants were welcomed to Canada. Over the past 14 years, my son and I witnessed a group of Bosnians in the area, where we hunt deer. They had a camp of 5 camping trailers, with about 10 hunters. Almost every year they had 8 to 12 deer hanging on their hanging pole. They took full advantage of the supplimental doe tages. Today, a deer is rarely sighted.

Just so we're clear on this story, these people aren't poaching they're just playing within the rules set by the govt?

 

[track]

Just so we're clear on this story, these people aren't poaching they're just playing within the rules set by the govt?

.................and look what they done with the whitetail.

 

[Suther]

.................and look what they done with the whitetail.

And you blame the immigrants, not the people in charge of setting the limits? I assume you're not as successful as them than? 8-12 deer a year between 10 guys is only 1 deer a year per person, so I assume you and your son average less than a deer a piece each year?

 

[Octane]

Bummer for you.

 

[track]

And you blame the immigrants, not the people in charge of setting the limits? I assume you're not as successful as them than? 8-12 deer a year between 10 guys is only 1 deer a year per person, so I assume you and your son average less than a deer a piece each year?

Don't assume, inwhich you are igorant of my true actions and thoughts; read my signature line. My son and I are equally conservationsits as hunters. Killing over 150 deer in one small area has a large impact on populations.

 

[Duramax6.6]

And you blame the immigrants, not the people in charge of setting the limits? I assume you're not as successful as them than? 8-12 deer a year between 10 guys is only 1 deer a year per person, so I assume you and your son average less than a deer a piece each year?

My friend, have you ever had any role whatsoever related to enforcement in Provincial Parks or being involved in complaints or tips of taking as many fish as possible regardless of species? When there's only one or two Wildlife Officers trying to cover a larger area sometimes other peace officers help out by taking calls and/or checking licenses for example. When I was 20 years younger, it was flying the colours by driving through campgrounds at the lakes in the county, being seen checking out the fish cleaning tables by campers to let the gossip take effect. I can't tell you how many times we got waved over and told about poachers showing up at a lake with a car full of folks and catching walleye and pike casting from shore and not releasing the walleye when in those days there were a lot of zero limit for walleye Alberta lakes.

In most of the major fish poaching cases in those days, many caught didn't even bother to get a licence, and they over represented a few Far Eastern cultures that were migrating to Canada from countries where fish was a major part of their diet. Hypothetically speaking it was sometimes discovered that the simple sight of a pair S&W 100's had the power of teaching a detainee most of the English language in just a few seconds! Determined Wildlife Enforcement Investigators did some dumpster diving at a few restaurants and found remains of cleaned fish identifying them as wild native species from our lakes. The numbers of fish were well into the hundreds in each case. My hat was off to those guys for their amazing work. It was learned that those restaurants were also adding the illegally poached fish to their menus instead of buying fish from their usual suppliers. I'll leave it there, you get the picture I'm sure.

 

[Suther]

When there's only one or two Wildlife Officers

And do the immigrants decide the budget for the fish cops?

 

[Suther]

Don't assume, inwhich you are igorant of my true actions and thoughts; read my signature line. My son and I are equally conservationsits as hunters. Killing over 150 deer in one small area has a large impact on populations.

Yes or no: Do you kill less than one deer a year on average?

 

[Duramax6.6]

And do the immigrants decide the budget for the fish cops?

What? That’s what you took away from reading that? “And the CRIMINALS decide the budget for the fish COPS?” There I fixed it for you so you can understand just how stupid that question was. They came from cultures very unlike ours used to be lol. That’s why the public complaints got to crazy numbers then and police had to step in and assist to deter violence because someone or groups of someones were going to get hurt or worse. Flying the colours was to keep the peace firstly and deter criminal poachers secondly.

When you get caught with a line in the water with a hook and no licence it’s not just a ticket. It’s Fisheries Act and you get the ‘Court Appearance part of the summons. A lot of Judges like to fish too and they took no pity on anyone caught poaching (just a line in the lake with a hook, no permit or licence) and if you were caught with fish, the fines were per fish added up. Some poachers had to do jail time then because they couldn’t pay the very high fines.

You must know about seizures of equipment used in the commission of the crime of poaching? Trunk has coolers full of fish? Crown says “thanks for the car.” Poached big game in your pick-up box? Crown: “you can try buy your truck back at the public auction.” Plus the fishing tackle, rifles & ammo, bows & arrows etc.

Suther, why such a hate on for law enforcement?

 

[Restoule]

If it's similar to Manitoba, there's a certain group of people that decimate herds, night hunt, and hunt without permission. Then they claim that other people are killing too many animals and our NDP government takes away our licenses.

And just for the record, my wife, kids, bunch of friends and family are Metis and indigenous. I have no hate for the color of people's skin. I hate that they claim to be keepers of the land when they most definitely are ruining it for everyone.

Defintely not the case in Alberta. I love the people that claim natives shoot all the trophies, or they only shoot the bulls, or bucks... and then in the same breath say they decimate the population. What, are they magic hunters? Do they have some way to know where all the big bucks or bulls are so they can harvest them and ALL of them. People claim they went into the yaha tinda with reefer trucks and came out fully loaded with trophy elk. BS.

It's poor management. Simple. No one actually cares about future opportunities except hunters. No one in power cares.

 

[mmattockx]

What? That’s what you took away from reading that?

FFS.

Suther's first point is that track was complaining about people following the rules and cleaning out his local hunting spot. If you don't like the legal behaviour of someone you should be complaining to the government that made the rules, not the people following those rules.

Suther's point to you is that, again, you are complaining about the wrong thing. Instead of complaining about the criminals, you should be complaining about the government choices that resulted in inadequate enforcement budgets to deal with said criminals.


Mark

 

[Duramax6.6]

FFS.

Suther's first point is that track was complaining about people following the rules and cleaning out his local hunting spot. If you don't like the legal behaviour of someone you should be complaining to the government that made the rules, not the people following those rules.

Suther's point to you is that, again, you are complaining about the wrong thing. Instead of complaining about the criminals, you should be complaining about the government choices that resulted in inadequate enforcement budgets to deal with said criminals.


Mark

So forget the actual poachers? I have no problem with anyone operating within the rules. Being a curious hunter I like to listen to all the shots and hits right around that 30 minutes past sunset. It’s when I’m walking out heading back to the truck wearing a headlamp with a red blinker on the back and I hear bang-pop 50-60 minutes after sunset that I get pissed off.

Hey if a group of hunters are super successful I’m happy for them. But if I’ve also hunted the same area for years and deer are only coming out into the fields way after dark or when I stalk the bush mid-day, my favourite hunting, I’m not spooking up a few whitetails or finding sign like beds, I wonder what I’m doing wrong.

What’s your opinion of a group illegally party hunting? As in I shoot a deer and someone else tags it? Then I fill my tag but keep hunting “for coyotes, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it” with my buddies.

Since I was 16 I’ve had a 48,000 acre grazing reserve to hunt on where I grew up plus almost 11 quarter sections of private mixed farmland. By the time my farm buddies I grew up with and I were into our 30’s their private land doubled via business and inheritance so my hunting reality has been different than some.

 

[Duramax6.6]

Defintely not the case in Alberta. I love the people that claim natives shoot all the trophies, or they only shoot the bulls, or bucks... and then in the same breath say they decimate the population. What, are they magic hunters? Do they have some way to know where all the big bucks or bulls are so they can harvest them and ALL of them. People claim they went into the yaha tinda with reefer trucks and came out fully loaded with trophy elk. BS.

It's poor management. Simple. No one actually cares about future opportunities except hunters. No one in power cares.

Not a lot of magic needed when you can hunt 24 hrs a day 365 days a year. Preseason game don’t run away as much from headlights or spot lamps.

 

[mmattockx]

So forget the actual poachers?

Holy f@ck. I give up.


Mark

 

[Restoule]

Not a lot of magic needed when you can hunt 24 hrs a day 365 days a year. Preseason game don’t run away as much from headlights or spot lamps.

Well thats just poaching. Natives aren't exempt from laws regarding discharging of firearms... I've never met or heard of any natives hunting at night...

Where are you getting this info?

 

[Duramax6.6]

Well thats just poaching. Natives aren't exempt from laws regarding discharging of firearms... I've never met or heard of any natives hunting at night...

Where are you getting this info?

My former career, phone complaints to 911 and the dispatch non-emergency phone line. Every adult in the countryside seemed to know the direct phone number to dispatch. Do you think there's going to be the loud blasts of centerfire rifles? The 22 Mag has been called "the poacher's rifle" for as long as I can remember in AB. When I fire standard velocity 22 LR out of the vintage rimfire rifles with their 22"+ barrels they are surprisingly quiet and I'm told a whitetail hit in the side of the head at 50 yards with plain old lead round nose 22 LR's drops flat. As a pre-teen on my Uncle's farm I've dropped a couple pigs that got loose and into the garden. My Uncle said to go grab the 22 from behind the door in the house, it's with the 303 and there's shells on the high window ledge. Then he told me to sneak around the barn and shoot into the ear. First one dropped, second spooked about 10 yards and stopped and he got dropped. one more 22 each and they stopped kicking. With those old rifles if there's a breeze, someone 100 yards away might not hear any shot at all.

 

[fingers284]

ince I was 16 I’ve had a 48,000 acre grazing reserve to hunt on where I grew up

do you and your buddies have exclusive hunting permission on this huge tract of land that is owned by every citizen, hunter or not from that province....if so, I'd sooner hunt at 2 am with 1000 natives than you for a minute.

 

[Duramax6.6]

do you and your buddies have exclusive hunting permission on this huge tract of land that is owned by every citizen, hunter or not from that province....if so, I'd sooner hunt at 2 am with 1000 natives than you for a minute.

And another poacher steps forward...