Brass worked harder with full length resizing with or without sizer button

[Brad243]

Edit, delete. Way off topic from original posters deiscussion

 

[Jscobes]

I'm changing my resizing process and looking for some opinions on what works cases more causing work hardened brass sooner. I'm seeing unexplainable flyers when load testing and changing dies is my next step to try. I'm a hunter but appreciate quality hand loaded ammunition so care is taken every step of my ammunition building to get consistent results.
I'm just ordered some 21st century innovations mandrel and expander dies to get more consistent neck tension and runout. I've been using RCBS and Redding FL dies for the calibers I'm loading 260 rem and 7mm-08 rem. My brass is remington for the 260 and WW, Hornady for the 7mm-08. I'm annealing before every reload on the remington brass and will be before the next reload of the 7mm-08 brass. The brass gets the full prep work out, with primer depth uniformity,flash hole deburring,trimming every load etc.
From what I've been reading to use the mandrel neck sizes you should 1st decap then FL resize with the expander stem removed to minimize the working of the neck brass. I get the theory and don't disagree. But...with this process the neck is sized smaller than with the expander and will be worked considerably harder by the mandrel as it forces the inside of the neck back open to its diameter. Would these two steps induce roughly the same amount of work to the neck of the brass?
Or should I be looking for a dedicated decap die and start doing another step in my brass prep to eliminate the expander ball through the neck all together?
Any input is appreciated RB

Step One - Dry tumble your brass in walnut media
Step Two - Anneal your brass....yes every single firing!
Size with a full length sizer
If you want less stress on the brass, rip the ball sizer out of the sizing die and open necks back up with a mandrel die. all the work happens on the up stroke of the press so therfore you arent stretching it back over the ball sizer coming back on the downstroke.

 

[Tokay444]

Working brass causes work hardening. More work, more hardening. Anneal every firing.

 

[Janeau]

Stop worrying about brass hardening. All that is proposed are band aid. Anneal after each firing. You will gain consistency. I shoot the very competitive short range Benchrest were the winner is decided by the number of X the size of a pin. If somebody tell you it's not necessary - it is because he cannot shoot good enough ot his gun cannot give him the accuracy to see the difference but for those who can - or who have the set do- it does without any doupt make a difference.

 

[iron cat]

Stop worrying about brass hardening. All that is proposed are band aid. Anneal after each firing. You will gain consistency. I shoot the very competitive short range Benchrest were the winner is decided by the number of X the size of a pin. If somebody tell you it's not necessary - it is because he cannot shoot good enough ot his gun cannot give him the accuracy to see the difference but for those who can - or who have the set do- it does without any doupt make a difference.

I agree- fir match shooting.
However in a hunting rifle , annealing and sub 1/4 MOA accuracy is not really necessary from in my experience as an RO of many years- PRACTICE at varying ranges in varying positions is however the big variable!
Cat

 

[Tokay444]

I agree- fir match shooting.
However in a hunting rifle , annealing and sub 1/4 MOA accuracy is not really necessary from in my experience as an RO of many years- PRACTICE at varying ranges in varying positions is however the big variable!
Cat

Only accurate guns are interesting.

 

[iron cat]

Only accurate guns are interesting.

" accuracy" is a very relative thing.
For instance the person that quote is attributed to had far different accuracy requirements and expectations than match shooters have today.
Anybody who thinks they NEED a 1/2 MOA rifle for big game hunting is living in a dream world.
Cat

 

[Tokay444]

" accuracy" is a very relative thing.
For instance the person that quote is attributed to had far different accuracy requirements and expectations than match shooters have today.
Anybody who thinks they NEED a 1/2 MOA rifle for big game hunting is living in a dream world.
Cat

If need, entered into it, most wouldn’t be hunting.