Type 97A (Not Dial-Up Friendly)

Clobbersauras said:
I have a legit question for all the operators out there. Why couldn't you just use your right hand to change the mag? I.e. take your had off the pistol grip, depress the mag button, grab a new mag and jam it in? Or does this break some sort of doctrine? You would still have muzzle control with your left hand on the forgrip, no?
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The right hand should never leave the pistol grip,anything else slows your drills down and shortens reaction time.
 
Reaper said:
The right hand should never leave the pistol grip,anything else slows your drills down and shortens reaction time.
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Makes sense with most any other weapon system. The type 97 would need some different drills unless someone could come up with a solution for the mag release. I know the true chinese military verson has a paddle release wich makes far more sense.

With the exception of the mag release and safety the type 97 has a lot going for it. Piston driven, bulpup design, seemingly robust. I just wonder if the mag release and safety are worth the tradeoff?

At the risk of being burned at the stake by Deckard, the more I read about this rifle and look at the posts here, I think it may well be worth the price Lever is charging.....
 
I will pay 800 or less for the trade off - just for a fun range toy. Anything over 800 I willl pass- more like 800 taxed in. You will have you arse kicked if you take this to IPSC type rifle match or even service rifle match, in the mag change and the load/ready cycles, as well as fumbling with the safety in any movement between firing positions. However, for general plinking or certain pest control, it will make a great handy truck gun for some and a beater for a general recreation. For a serious bullpup for your "action/tactical application", you should just get on the TAVOR.

In my eyes, this rifle is targeted to the AR180B/Mini 14 crowd who wants a low cost 223 plinker, to shoot in sand pits or weekend range plinking, or even some hunting situation where you can afford to fumble a bit under stress. Unless you are a hardcore collector like RobAKwho needs to complete his commie rifles collection, for the general population 1400 bucks is highly ridiculous for this rifle which costs 450 USD.
 
This lefty has no problem with the mag release. Of course I have to overcome the ejection problem. The ejection angle gives me cause for hope. I'd never experiment unless the price was cheap though.
 
Deckard said:
This lefty has no problem with the mag release. Of course I have to overcome the ejection problem. The ejection angle gives me cause for hope. I'd never experiment unless the price was cheap though.
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The next time I've got it at the range I'll try to get some video of the ejection as you asked. Hosting it is well outside my abilities though so I may need to e-mail it or transfer the file to you.
 
Ah the fate of lefties. Sometimes things like magazine releases work out for us, but we always fear the dreaded ejection angle. I'm happy my AR180B came from the factory with a roughly 2pm angle.

With regards to the punches, like RobSmith said, the one on the left comes with Chicom SKSs. I don't know what the real reason it was included for, but I do know I found it useful when I had to take apart an SKS fixed magazine (at the rotating hinge). It's stepped widths allows driving out hollow pins.

RobAK said:
Thanks for the elaboration David. Here's a couple questions for you then that hopefully you, or someone else who owns one can tell me:
-In the pistol grip tool container, what are the following items:
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(From left to right) the first arrow going to 2 punches (I think). I know that they fit into the hole on the front sight adjustment tool, but if that's what they're for why are there 2?
The second arrow goes to another item similar to the "punches" but it has a "blockier" end to it.
The third arrow is to the spring that was in the case.
Any ideas on what they are for?
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I am not sure why everyone gets so worked up over the price. Nobody seems to complain about $1100 for an AR180 and those things are not exactly the best built rifle in the wrold. The only other bullpup is the TAVOR. Its not here yet and its 3k, twice the price of the 97.
Sure it would be nice to pay $800, it would be great to pay $250 for a 305 or $1500 for a SIG but it ain`t going to happen
 
55recce said:
I am not sure why everyone gets so worked up over the price. Nobody seems to complain about $1100 for an AR180 and those things are not exactly the best built rifle in the wrold. The only other bullpup is the TAVOR. Its not here yet and its 3k, twice the price of the 97.
Sure it would be nice to pay $800, it would be great to pay $250 for a 305 or $1500 for a SIG but it ain`t going to happen
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:owned: :bangHead:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=160317&highlight=Tavor
 
Yes I do realize that there are a few in Canada. My point is that it has been a long wait and as far as I know they are not generally available. You can't walk into a store and buy one (yet).

A bird the hand is worth 2 in the bush and all that nonsense
 
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