Launchers

The 37mm launchers are smoothbore and basically suck. They are just cope for not being able to afford a 40mm launcher. A friend had one and it was garbage. Ammo was all cutting up cardboard and hot gluing pieces together. The 40mm launchers are 10x better.
 
Ex3dy said:
>20mm = banned via 2020 OIC

Please turn in your potato cannon.
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The Chicken Cannon is as of this an illegal assault style weapon.


They used to make jokes of the military on the cbc, now the military is the joke and making fun of it is sad instead of funny.

1.5 cents.
 
Search Armalytics.ca for the make and model, see if it's listed as Prohibited.
99% of 37mm and 40mm are listed as Prohib.

Conversely, most 26.5mm flare guns are still Unregulated.
 
I Dont Care About You said:
The 37mm launchers are smoothbore and basically suck. They are just cope for not being able to afford a 40mm launcher. A friend had one and it was garbage. Ammo was all cutting up cardboard and hot gluing pieces together. The 40mm launchers are 10x better.
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They are also controlled goods. So even if they weren't prohibited, you would have mountains to climb to buy one legally.
Makes the 37mm a little more appealing.
 
I remember there was a post here on the steps to obtain the 40mm launchers legally with the end-user certification process. Never went through with it since you're basically registering it with the gov in the end....

That, and the legit launchers were primo-priced.
 
Ya shoot should have bought one years ago.

The airsoft ones you are talking about would be the metal versions I assume. I also wondered if they’d fire projectiles lol
 
So if we go to Armalytics.ca, and check ✔️ only two filter boxes:

Legal classification
✔️CC2 "firearm"/CC 84(3) Exempted

Type
✔️ Grenade Launcher

....we see a list of 17 "grenade launchers" that are apparently currently classified as "Exempted" (no licence required).

Firstly, for example, the Arwen Ace.
It's a 37mm grenade launcher, commonly used by some police in Canada.

Question: Why, according to the Armalytics RCMP FRT Report, does this launcher appear to NOT BE PROHIBITED? (and therefore legal to acquire for collection purposes?)

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Colin L said:
Question: Why, according to the Armalytics RCMP FRT Report, does this launcher appear to NOT BE PROHIBITED? (and therefore legal to acquire for collection purposes?)
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It's right in the legal authority comment, if you look again take notice that almost all of these 17 launchers are chambered in 37mm rebated rim and the other 3 are in other proprietary calibers.

The RCMP has not found it determinable that any of these chamberings have a factory loading which exceeds the 152 m/s or 5.7J threshold, therefore they fall under the same exemption as certain airguns.

The Criminal Code section 84(3)(d) read as follows:

Certain weapons deemed not to be firearms

(3) For the purposes of sections 91 to 95, 99 to 101, 103 to 107 and 117.03 of this Act and the provisions of the Firearms Act, the following weapons are deemed not to be firearms:

  • (d) any other barrelled weapon, where it is proved that the weapon is not designed or adapted to discharge
    • (i) a shot, bullet or other projectile at a muzzle velocity exceeding 152.4 m per second or at a muzzle energy exceeding 5.7 Joules, or
    • (ii) a shot, bullet or other projectile that is designed or adapted to attain a velocity exceeding 152.4 m per second or an energy exceeding 5.7 Joules.

And before you ask because I am sure it is the next question, I have no idea if Arwen sells to the public but I have seen a couple in the wild. Additionally, I contacted the Canadian listed importer for Sage Control Ordnance (one of the other listed manufacturers) about 3 years ago and asked about doing an import run and they had absolutely no interest. These would definitely be cool to see but I have not been pursuing it further.
 
I Dont Care About You said:
The more important question is: Would an airsoft launcher safely operate a real 40mm cartridge? One suspects not.
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While it seems unlikely, the real 40mm launchers use aluminum barrels and the round is very low pressure overall, so it's not outside the realm of possibility. I'll let someone else take the first few shots, though.


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Milspectacles said:
It's right in the legal authority comment, if you look again take notice that almost all of these 17 launchers are chambered in 37mm rebated rim and the other 3 are in other proprietary calibers.

The RCMP has not found it determinable that any of these chamberings have a factory loading which exceeds the 152 m/s or 5.7J threshold, therefore they fall under the same exemption as certain airguns.
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In SOR/2020-96 May 1, 2020, the "Sage Ace 37mm Launcher" is named Prohibited, specifically:
  • (z.227) Sage Ace 37MM Launcher

Yet, the RCMP FRT for this launcher indicates: CC 2 "firearm"/CC 84(3) Exempted

So is the "Sage Ace 37mm Launcher" Exempted or Prohibited?? There seems to be a discrepency.
 
Colin L said:
In SOR/2020-96 May 1, 2020, the "Sage Ace 37mm Launcher" is named Prohibited, specifically:
  • (z.227) Sage Ace 37MM Launcher

Yet, the RCMP FRT for this launcher indicates: CC 2 "firearm"/CC 84(3) Exempted

So is the "Sage Ace 37mm Launcher" Exempted or Prohibited?? There seems to be a discrepency.
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This is good evidence not only for launchers as it may be useful as an example that the FRT is not perfect.
 
69firebird said:
The airsoft ones you are talking about would be the metal versions I assume. I also wondered if they’d fire projectiles lol
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I certainly wouldn't want to be standing next to one in the process go finding out.


Milspectacles said:
The RCMP has not found it determinable that any of these chamberings have a factory loading which exceeds the 152 m/s or 5.7J threshold, therefore they fall under the same exemption as certain airguns.
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I don't know what 5.7J equates to but I can assure you that a 40mm round would most definitely exceed that. They may not move very fast but they are very big and weigh quite a lot.
 
Colin L said:
In SOR/2020-96 May 1, 2020, the "Sage Ace 37mm Launcher" is named Prohibited, specifically:
  • (z.227) Sage Ace 37MM Launcher

Yet, the RCMP FRT for this launcher indicates: CC 2 "firearm"/CC 84(3) Exempted

So is the "Sage Ace 37mm Launcher" Exempted or Prohibited?? There seems to be a discrepency.
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There is no discrepancy. There are two models of the Sage Ace 37mm launcher in different chamberings. FRN 154827-1 which you have referenced is chambered in "37mm RIMMED" which the RCMP believes has factory loadings that move it into the realm of a standard firearm, hence why it was caught by the OIC.

The other (exempt) FRN 154826-1 is chambered in "37mm REBATED RIM" which the RCMP does not believe has any factory loadings exceeding the velocity/muzzle energy thresholds that would make it considered a normal firearm. This is the only thing keeping them from being caught in the >20mm OIC category.
 
I Dont Care About You said:
I don't know what 5.7J equates to but I can assure you that a 40mm round would most definitely exceed that. They may not move very fast but they are very big and weigh quite a lot.
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It's just over 4ft/lbs, and yes I would wholly agree. The RCMP think so as well hence why all of the 40x46mm aka "40mm NATO" launchers were prohibited by the OIC.

The launchers Colin is referring to are specifically chambered in a proprietary "37mm Rebated Rim" caliber which has only ever been loaded for low-impact charges like flares, riot batons, pepperballs and other less-lethals. Hence why these have thus far escaped the 2020 OIC as they were not considered standard firearms to begin with.
 
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