Old Dominion shotgun ammo. What size is ST shot?

[Sasquatch807]

I have this box of old ammo here, can anyone tell me what size is ST shot? An internet search didn't turn up anything.

 

[maifire]

Skeet Trap? That doesnt help you, mind you.
Back in the day, maybe they were standardized?

Edit: I have also found T size in steel. Maybe ST is .20” dia steel?

 

[Potashminer]

The "sticker" seems to cover what the numbers are for - perhaps you have 2 1/2 Dram Equivalent of powder, 7/8 ounce of #1 Shot - Manufacture Code ST. I believe that "old school" shotgun ammo did not tell you a velocity - you were supposed to "guess" at that from the Drams Equivalent number. I have some Imperial Special Long Range in 16 gauge with Manufacture Code IL and LX - also made by IVI (Imperial) - probably a successor to the Dominion brand.

 

[257hunter]

The third column from the left should be shot size, #1 in this case. The ST is the date code. At least that’s the order on every box I’ve shot, never had that exact vintage.

 

[Sasquatch807]

The third column from the left should be shot size, #1 in this case. The ST is the date code. At least that’s the order on every box I’ve shot, never had that exact vintage.

Thanks for the info, I had never seen #1 shot before. I though ST was a size description. I have another box marked Double Ball, does that mean two big round balls?

 

[Sasquatch807]

The "sticker" seems to cover what the numbers are for - perhaps you have 2 1/2 Dram Equivalent of powder, 7/8 ounce of #1 Shot - Manufacture Code ST. I believe that "old school" shotgun ammo did not tell you a velocity - you were supposed to "guess" at that from the Drams Equivalent number. I have some Imperial Special Long Range in 16 gauge with Manufacture Code IL and LX - also made by IVI (Imperial) - probably a successor to the Dominion brand.

Thanks for the info, I had never seen #1 shot before. I though ST was a size description.

 

[iron cat]

Thanks for the info, I had never seen #1 shot before. I though ST was a size description. I have another box marked Double Ball, does that mean two big round balls?

This ammo is very old, and yes as was stated, #1 is the shot size which is very obsolete as far as lead goes.
Also 2 1/2 dram loads would be very light ( around 1100 FPS from my chronograph experience) in fact I am not sure just how long they made them for during that time frame.
They were likely designed for short range rabbits, upland birds and other small game or vermin like rats, but that is just conjecture on my part.
I know C.I.L. did some promo 2 1/2 dram target load testing about 55 or so years ago, but could not forsee a market for light trap loads at the time- that has since changed, mind you.
Cat

 

[Sasquatch807]

This ammo is very old, and yes as was stated, #1 is the shot size which is very obsolete as far as lead goes.
Also 2 1/2 dram loads would be very light ( around 1100 FPS from my chronograph experience) in fact I am not sure just how long they made them for during that time frame.
They were likely designed for short range rabbits, upland birds and other small game or vermin like rats, but that is just conjecture on my part.
I know C.I.L. did some promo 2 1/2 dram target load testing about 55 or so years ago, but could not forsee a market for light trap loads at the time- that has since changed, mind you.
Cat

It says Load above the ST. Here is a pic of a box of 12g. I found on the web.

 

[iron cat]

It says Load above the ST. Here is a pic of a box of 12g. I found on the web.

Oh, so those are two different boxes , I did not look close enough at the second box!
And yes, 3 1/ 4 drams would be HEAVY! LOL
Cat

 

[Sasquatch807]

Oh, so those are two different boxes , I did not look close enough at the second box!
And yes, 3 1/ 4 drams would be HEAVY! LOL
Cat

Yes they are different boxes, I only posted the second pic to show that the ST and SK are under the label “Load”. I am just wondering what these abbreviations refer to. SK could possibly be Skeet, but what is ST?

 

[iron cat]

Yes they are different boxes, I only posted the second pic to show that the ST and SK are under the label “Load”. I am just wondering what these abbreviations refer to. SK could possibly be Skeet, but what is ST?

No, I doubt very much if SK stands for skeet with that heavy a load.....
Cat

 

[257hunter]

I could be mistaken but always believed the letter code in the last box is just an internal identifier for the company. The newer boxes (imperial branded) do say code there rather than load. Could be that it was a designation given to that particular combination of powder and shot weight/size

 

[Potashminer]

I got the gauge mixed up - they are 12 gauge, not 16 gauge: Looks like the "Special Long Range" were 1 1/4 ounce shot and the "Magnum" was 1 1/2 ounce shot - both at 2 3/4" length though. I seem to recall we would get #2 lead or BB size, 3" 12 gauge, to shoot at geese - not sure that was actually needed, but what we used, then.

 

[Bigbubba]

Vintage 20 gauge shotgun shells loaded with #1 lead shot by Dominion (C.I.L.) are rare, highly specific items for collectors. While #1 birdshot was standard in 12 gauge for geese and foxes, it was an uncommonly heavy, large shot size for a smaller 20 gauge hull. [1, 3]

Physical Characteristics

• Hull Colour: Vintage Dominion 20 gauge smokeless shells were traditionally colour-coded in natural, yellow, or orange paper hulls to differentiate them from red 12 gauge shells. [1]
• Shell Length: Most vintage Dominion 20 gauge paper hulls from the mid-20th century were 2-1/2 inchor 2-3/4 inch lengths. [1]
• Payload: A typical vintage 20 gauge heavy load contained roughly 7/8 oz to 1 oz of lead shot. Because #1 lead shot is large (0.16" diameter), a 20 gauge shell would only hold about 70 to 80 pellets total.

 

[Sasquatch807]

Vintage 20 gauge shotgun shells loaded with #1 lead shot by Dominion (C.I.L.) are rare, highly specific items for collectors. While #1 birdshot was standard in 12 gauge for geese and foxes, it was an uncommonly heavy, large shot size for a smaller 20 gauge hull. [1, 3]

Physical Characteristics

• Hull Colour: Vintage Dominion 20 gauge smokeless shells were traditionally colour-coded in natural, yellow, or orange paper hulls to differentiate them from red 12 gauge shells. [1]
• Shell Length: Most vintage Dominion 20 gauge paper hulls from the mid-20th century were 2-1/2 inchor 2-3/4 inch lengths. [1]
• Payload: A typical vintage 20 gauge heavy load contained roughly 7/8 oz to 1 oz of lead shot. Because #1 lead shot is large (0.16" diameter), a 20 gauge shell would only hold about 70 to 80 pellets total.

Thanks for the info.

 

[iron cat]

When thecwild roosters and Sharptails start getting up at 40 yards plus it's time to break out the ballistic ordinance!
Cat

 

[guntech]

Skeet Trap? That doesnt help you, mind you.
Back in the day, maybe they were standardized?

Edit: I have also found T size in steel. Maybe ST is .20” dia steel?

Trap shells only come in 12 gauge
When those shells were made there was no steel shot

 

[iron cat]

Trap shells only come in 12 gauge
When those shells were made there was no steel shot

And trap and skeet would not be shot with #5.
Cat

 

[FLHTCUI]

When thecwild roosters and Sharptails start getting up at 40 yards plus it's time to break out the ballistic ordinance!
Cat

Every time I see pictures of these shells it brings back the sense of smells from my younger days of searching for hulls in the West salt marsh of Richmond and later on when I was actually buying this brand of ammo for my first hunting rounds.
Thanks for the memories.
Rob

 

[Big Bad]

Thanks for the info, I had never seen #1 shot before. I though ST was a size description. I have another box marked Double Ball, does that mean two big round balls?

These days, 'double ball' shells refer to less lethal rounds loaded with 2 rubber or polymer balls intended to hurt like hell but (with any luck) not to kill. If you have an antique box of them, I would be wondering if the balls are not lead.