What is a Cooper scout / Gunsite Ranch rifle?

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I'm leaving this as an open question after posting my understanding of the concept. Discussion is invited.

It will be understood that the scout or ranch rifle concept came me vial the EOTW survivalist community with the main concerns being durability, overall utility, and availability of ammunition. So to Col Jeff Cooper and to me a Scout rifle is:

1): Compact in length and low in weight, no more than a yard long and 7 pounds unloaded. We both like compound stocks but wood is fine too. The butt should be rounded to avoid snagging clothing.

2): Equipped with a very rugged and reliable action, in the real world almost certainly a bolt action which also encourages conservation of ammunition.

3): Fires all .308 Win ammunition and the military equivalent, Cooper said except in countries where ownership of that calibre is prohibited to civilians. Not a problem here.

4): Has backup iron sights useful out to at least 300 yards, ideally 500. I will add a modern top rail for optics.

5): Uses a lower power optic that allows for quick target acquisition. Cooper liked a forward mounted 'Scout' scope, but never having found a good one, I favour a 1-6 power top quality one.

6): Uses 10 round removable box magazines. Cooper wanted storage for an spare mag in the stock, which would be nice.

7): Is equipped with a simple easy to use sling that allows the rifle to be carried comfortably and brought to bear quickly.

8): Has an available bipod of some sort.

9): Is fitted with a flash hider.

That's what I have as an ideal concept. I've never found an ideal one but as recently posted elsewhere here, for mine I settled on a Tikka T3x Arctic with a SAI Optics 1-6 scope.
 
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I'm leaving this as an open question after posting my understanding of the concept. Discussion is invited.

It will be understood that the scout or ranch rifle concept came me vial the EOTW survivalist community with the main concerns being durability, overall utility, and availability of ammunition. So to Col Jeff Cooper and to me a Scout rifle is:

1): Compact in length and low in weight, no more than a yard long and 7 pounds unloaded. We both like compound stocks but wood is fine too. The butt should be rounded to avoid snagging clothing.

2): Equipped with a very rugged and reliable action, in the real world almost certainly a bolt action which also encourages conservation of ammunition.

3): Fires all .308 Win ammunition and the military equivalent, Cooper said except in countries where ownership of that calibre is prohibited to civilians. Not a problem here.

4): Has backup iron sights useful out to at least 300 yards, ideally 500. I will add a modern top rail for optics.

5): Uses a lower power optic that allows for quick target acquisition. Cooper liked a forward mounted 'Scout' scope, but never having found a good one, I favour a 1-6 power top quality one.

6): Uses 10 round removable box magazines. Cooper wanted storage for an spare mag in the stock, which would be nice.

7): Is equipped with a simple easy to use sling that allows the rifle to be carried comfortably and brought to bear quickly.

8): Has an available bipod of some sort.

9): Is fitted with a flash hider.

That's what I have as an ideal concept. I've never found an ideal one but as recently posted elsewhere here, for mine I settled on a Tikka T3x Arctic with an SAI Optics 1-6 scope.

Hasn’t this dog been kicked already?

But yes, lovely rifle setup you have there. Of course without pics it’s nothing but hot air 😉
 
Most of what baddog posts is just that, hot air. 🙄

Almost faintly reminds me of Sunray…
Well CD, you continually follow me around goading me and by using your important status as a mod, encouraging the same from the usual weak minded others. So now I have to challenge you to either ban me, which is clearly your goal, or knock your shyte off. As to what your problem is, I do not care, just do one or the other.
 
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The description in my picture above says iron sights... the rifle in that picture has iron sights...

The STEYR Scout has always had irons... Cooper helped develop it..
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Yeah, that was my mistake. I was more seeing red than very clearly at the time. I will observe that the iron sights on the Arctic are 100x better.
 
I will observe that the iron sights on the Arctic are 100x better.
Undoubtably. Steyr (and Cooper) regard them as backups only. Good for fast target acquisition primarily. Being of the folding type, they do allow for a much lower scope mounting. Modern traditional optics solve the problems of the forward mounted optic originally favored on early scout rifles, and are so much more robust that their predecessors. If i were building a rifle to the capabilities Cooper called out in his original requirements, it would either be a Tikka Battue, Arctic or the Steyr.
 
The best scout rifle was discontinued. Stainless Ruger gunsite .308 with the walnut stock. Laminate stocks on working rifles is not the best choice. I stated it when Canada selected the Tikka, proved correct shortly after.
 
I'm leaving this as an open question after posting my understanding of the concept. Discussion is invited.

It will be understood that the scout or ranch rifle concept came me vial the EOTW survivalist community with the main concerns being durability, overall utility, and availability of ammunition. So to Col Jeff Cooper and to me a Scout rifle is:

1): Compact in length and low in weight, no more than a yard long and 7 pounds unloaded. We both like compound stocks but wood is fine too. The butt should be rounded to avoid snagging clothing.

2): Equipped with a very rugged and reliable action, in the real world almost certainly a bolt action which also encourages conservation of ammunition.

3): Fires all .308 Win ammunition and the military equivalent, Cooper said except in countries where ownership of that calibre is prohibited to civilians. Not a problem here.

4): Has backup iron sights useful out to at least 300 yards, ideally 500. I will add a modern top rail for optics.

5): Uses a lower power optic that allows for quick target acquisition. Cooper liked a forward mounted 'Scout' scope, but never having found a good one, I favour a 1-6 power top quality one.

6): Uses 10 round removable box magazines. Cooper wanted storage for an spare mag in the stock, which would be nice.

7): Is equipped with a simple easy to use sling that allows the rifle to be carried comfortably and brought to bear quickly.

8): Has an available bipod of some sort.

9): Is fitted with a flash hider.

That's what I have as an ideal concept. I've never found an ideal one but as recently posted elsewhere here, for mine I settled on a Tikka T3x Arctic with an SAI Optics 1-6 scope.
Wouldn't the Steyr Scout fit all of those criteria, albeit expensively? I built my scout rifles on Rem 600's, still have one. - dan
 
I've had a bunch of "scout" rifles, still have a couple. The Steyr is not only my favourite and IMHO the best by a wide margin...although not the best value, which is entirely different...but it's also the closest to the specs laid out by Cooper originally. I don't recall for sure and don't care to look it up and then measure my rifle, but I believe that even the Steyr doesn't quite fall into the guidelines set by Cooper.

I used those quotation marks because I didn't want somebody to call out my gun as a fraud. As a scout-rifle fan, I am forced to chuckle whenever the discussion comes up about this or that rifle and whether it is or isn't a scout. Rabid Cooperphiles can get pretty shrill about this stuff; "it's a half-inch too long...it weighs an ounce too much...it lacks some (trivial) feature...it's not a real scout!!!"

I may have to start calling them "scouty" or "scoutish" rifles to maintain plausible deniability. :)
 
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