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We would like to know the experiences and preference of precision shooters regarding single and 2-stage triggers.
There is a reason for this inquiry, as we now have an advanced 2-stage for Rem 700 and clones as well as RPA and a few other triggers.

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Peter Dobson
Hirsch Precision Inc.
 
I use both, and like a good two stage as long as the second stage is crisp.
I have shot a few rifles that were not set up properly, with the second stage mushy.
They may have been set under their minimum poundage.
Most times, if I have a good single stage I am a happy camper.
PM me or phone me about the Remington triggers please, Peter!
Cat
 
I am a single stage lover all the way and I love 'em really light.

...I shoot F-class and I have 1.5 oz. jewels on everything. If I could get them lighter, I would. It makes trigger pulling 99% mental and 1% physical that way.
 
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For those intersted in 2-stage, there is a review of the CG trigger on the 6mmBR site. I think all BR shooters want 1-stage, most fullbore 2-stage and FClass 60/40 in favour of single, although many may have not tried a proper 2-stage. Interesting to see responses.
One of the Maritimes best FB shooters, Charlie Bayne, will use 2-stage only and I think the vast majority of FB also use 2-stage. A top Canadian sniper told me he was trained on 2-stage - 3-4 ounces doesn't cut it in all-condition field use.
My Theory: 2-stage for heavy, say .5kg and single stage for light.

Opinions?

Regards,

Peter
 
single stage vs 2 stage trigger

Hi Peter:
I like a single stage better but have 2 stage on some of my rifles. For sniper matches I set my Jewel at 2 lbs (which is considered somewhat light) and 1 lb for F class. Take care. Serge
 
peterdobson said:
... although many may have not tried a proper 2-stage. Interesting
Opinions?
Regards,
Peter
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I was going to say that I prefer a single stage (true), and that is what I buy, but it is also true that I might not have used a proper 2-stage trigger. I have one on my Poor Boy that I like and I used to like knowing that things were going to go on the second bump on those old military triggers. Interesting question. I want to own at least one Jewel trigger like Obtunded's before I die...:)
 
peterdobson said:
For those intersted in 2-stage, there is a review of the CG trigger on the 6mmBR site. I think all BR shooters want 1-stage, most fullbore 2-stage and FClass 60/40 in favour of single, although many may have not tried a proper 2-stage. Interesting to see responses.
One of the Maritimes best FB shooters, Charlie Bayne, will use 2-stage only and I think the vast majority of FB also use 2-stage. A top Canadian sniper told me he was trained on 2-stage - 3-4 ounces doesn't cut it in all-condition field use.
My Theory: 2-stage for heavy, say .5kg and single stage for light.

Opinions?

Regards,

Peter
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Well I like light single stage triggers.

I dislike the Savage style accutrigger with the little lever in the centre. I find my finger shaking on the lever anticipating what pressure is needed to get let off., This trigger does make for a fairly light and safe trigger...the firing pin won't contact the cartridge, if the sear lets go, without the lever being held back. This is not the case for too lightly adjusted Sav Rifle basix triggers.


In my opinion the only reason you need a 2 stage trigger is a for "rule beating" in controlled trigger pressure competitions. You get a light final breaking weight, a few onces, with the ability to pass a trigger weight inspection of holding up a weight of several pounds.

NormB
 
NormB said:
Well I like light single stage triggers.



In my opinion the only reason you need a 2 stage trigger is a for "rule beating" in controlled trigger pressure competitions. You get a light final breaking weight, a few onces, with the ability to pass a trigger weight inspection of holding up a weight of several pounds.

NormB
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My two stage Anschutz triggers sure can't do that!''The take up is super light, and the final stage is only a few OZ.
My set triggers certainly are heavier unset, but in the match rifle competitions where they are legal, it doesn't matter, ther is no weight restriction.

What type of competition were you reffering to Norm?
Cat
 
catnthehatt said:
My two stage Anschutz triggers sure can't do that!''The take up is super light, and the final stage is only a few OZ.
My set triggers certainly are heavier unset, but in the match rifle competitions where they are legal, it doesn't matter, ther is no weight restriction.

What type of competition were you reffering to Norm?
Cat
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Cat,

ISSF Pistol, Palma Fullbore, European Competition etc..

I wasn't referring to "set triggers", but 2 stage triggers.

A set trigger has a hard set first stage. A 2 stage trigger properly adjusted has a first stage that is not hard set, but is felt by the shooter and can be held ahead of the second stage let-off of a few onces 100% of the time.

Maybe I was a little generous on the "several pounds", but many rules require total trigger pull weights up to at least 1.5 kg or about 3lbs. These heavy pull weights can be achieved with a 2 stage trigger, and still give the competitor the advantage of a final let-off weight of a few onces. Unless you are trying to gain an advantage in a regulated trigger pull weight match, why would you need a first heavy stage? It just delays your shot let off. That being said, if you are going to be competitive in these type of matches you need a good, and well adjusted 2 stage trigger, like the CG. Since it fits a production US action like the Remington 700. It can make them more competitve with custom actions, and is a valued addition to the sport.

NormB
 
Norn,
I doesn't matter how much weight the first or second stage is set at, it still needs to lift 3.5 lbs. My CG trigger is set up so there is a light first stage, maybe 1/2 lbs with all the rest of the weight on the second stage.
I don't think a 3.5 lbs trigger is a rule for ISSF or Palma, but it is a rule for DCRA and Bisley.
 
maynard said:
Norn,
I doesn't matter how much weight the first or second stage is set at, it still needs to lift 3.5 lbs. My CG trigger is set up so there is a light first stage, maybe 1/2 lbs with all the rest of the weight on the second stage.
I don't think a 3.5 lbs trigger is a rule for ISSF or Palma, but it is a rule for DCRA and Bisley.
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This is what I was aware of, not sure what Norm is trying to discribe....
Cat
 
I have installed a few of the CG triggers and they really look great. I will take a two stage any day and I hope those that prefer a single have actually used a good two stage. The principal and purpose is the same as a two stage military trigger but far more advanced. For example I think about all the Anschutz serious target triggers are two stage, with good reason.
 
Barnard actions, Stiller actions, 17 models of stocks, Stock hardware, CG Triggers.
Looks like someone will need a bigger display area at the DCRA matches:p
 
Originally Posted by maynard
Norm,
I doesn't matter how much weight the first or second stage is set at, it still needs to lift 3.5 lbs.Exactly Tom. Why not set the trigger with 3 lbs first stage and 1/2 pound second stage...can this be done? If it can, then you have an effective let off of 1/2 lb and a trigger that will pass a 3.5lb check weight .

My CG trigger is set up so there is a light first stage, maybe 1/2 lbs with all the rest of the weight on the second stage. What's the point of having only 1/2 lb first stage. You still have a final let off of 3 lbs. I bet your scores would go up if you switched it around/I]

I don't think a 3.5 lbs trigger is a rule for ISSF or Palma, but it is a rule for DCRA and Bisley. It really doesn't matter what the values are, my point is that 2 stage triggers can be useful by giving much lighter let-offs in any competition that has rules requiring specific regulated heavy trigger weights. To me they have no other purpose.


catnthehatt said:
This is what I was aware of, not sure what Norm is trying to discribe.... Does the above explain what I mean?
Cat
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NormB
 
The reason the first stage is set light is to let the finger engage the trigger at the start of the shot sequence to make it easier to slowly increase the tension until the trigger breaks.
Setting the first stage heavier than the second defeats this purpose.
Cat
 
You also need to be able to feel the 2nd stage otherwise it is very easy to pull right through. I had a RPA trigger that did this until i fiddled with springs. I think that the heavier the trigger the greater the difference needs to be, if you are already pulling 3lbs it would be very hard to notice another 2oz.
 
catnthehatt said:
The reason the first stage is set light is to let the finger engage the trigger at the start of the shot sequence to make it easier to slowly increase the tension until the trigger breaks.
Setting the first stage heavier than the second defeats this purpose.
Cat
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Do you feel a change, or break point, when you come to the end of the first stage? If so, then your real shot sequence could begin here and slowly increase the tension over the second light stage and get an effective light let off.

NormB
 
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