rajczak_kashka
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Surrey, B.C.
The economic benefit is to those at the top …not you …nor I
BC really tearing up old logging roads
- Thread starter ArmedGinger
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canadian hunter312
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Brant County
It’s laughable to even think that decommissioning old logging roads has anything to do with trying to herd people into cities. I really couldn’t care less what you think so I’m not putting any effort into trying to convince you otherwise.
Liability and lawsuits seem like far more logical reasons, but you’re free to believe whatever you like.
The very simple reason is restriction of access. It is happening all over BC and Alberta. It is happening in National Parks, Provincial Parks, and elsewhere. It has nothing to do with anything else other than having fewer people in the bush. Why? All of the usual suspects and hippy logic for sure, but a factual answer is really difficult to find.
Bottom line is "they" don't people there. Period.
R.
Bottom line is "they" don't people there. Period.
R.
It should also be mentioned that a lot of the Mosaic managed lands are owned outright. Not timber lease, not land lease, but owned. Lots of that land started out as "E&N Land Grant" which was one of largest and corrupt land grants in Canadian history.
They own it, they can do what they want with it....
R.
IronNoggin
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Port Alberni, Vancouver Island
Basically it was stolen.
What they do on their "owned lands" is even worse than what they do on our public lands.
Simply put, they are an absolute DISGRACE!
What liability? What lawsuits? Canadian law really isn't written that way. Negligence or any other "fault" needs to be proven to be purposeful and with intent. That's one of reasons we are much less sue happy than our neighbours to the south.It’s laughable to even think that decommissioning old logging roads has anything to do with trying to herd people into cities. I really couldn’t care less what you think so I’m not putting any effort into trying to convince you otherwise.
Liability and lawsuits seem like far more logical reasons, but you’re free to believe whatever you like.
R.
Not from an individual standpoint. Not “Joe Public rolled his quad and broke his neck and now his widow is suing” but from the standpoint of “when was the last time there was a bridge inspection on your road tenure where the abutments washed out during freshet and 10 million salmon fry were killed due to sediment loading?”
In simple terms, relatively recent changes now require that a road have a forest professional personally responsible for the entire life span of the road, from the planning stage (line on a map) through retirement (unbuilding the road to return it to a productive state where it will grow trees again).
Additionally, with the closure of mills in forest districts and no other industries with active operations in place where they can foot the bill for maintenance , roads (like mainlines) won’t have any money available anymore due to not having active operations, so those will start to be fully deactivated over the next decade.
That makes sense!
That's why bridges are getting pulled from all over and not being replaced.
Also take it that if the maintenance bill can't be footed then the government steps in with tax dollars and pulls the road?
Your description reads exactly like another way to simply restrict access.
R.
The government doesn’t pay for it. The licensee has to pay for it so they can surrender the road back to the crown and get out from under the liability and any additional maintenance costs.
Not many major licensees have gone titters that I can think of, so they are on the hook for the deactivation. There are however some non status roads where ownership records have been lost, so the gov’t does pay for that theoretically, if there was the manpower to actually identify those roads, assess them, write the prescriptions, put it out to bid, and then manage the contract.
steamy teabag
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Inside Carneys Reich
headed in the same direction as Norway.
- Location
- Whitehorse, YT
good draw for group of hunters and way easier to deal with your friends in hunting and some have the right for brown bear so grizzly back lol
Ok so I went up there yesterday and did some more investigating.
1. The one road I hunt has been deactivated for at LEAST a kilometer. I've never seen a deactivation to that scale.
2. A couple other roads that were impassible before were deactivated again in this new way for at least a kilometer of their length.
3. There were quad trails and even a hiking/game trail that were deactivated as well in this new matter.
Here is what the deactivation looks like. This goes on for at least a kilometer. The picture doesn't do it justice on how rough it is!
1. The one road I hunt has been deactivated for at LEAST a kilometer. I've never seen a deactivation to that scale.
2. A couple other roads that were impassible before were deactivated again in this new way for at least a kilometer of their length.
3. There were quad trails and even a hiking/game trail that were deactivated as well in this new matter.
Here is what the deactivation looks like. This goes on for at least a kilometer. The picture doesn't do it justice on how rough it is!
Thunderhog
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- East Kootneys
that's nothing....... you should see what they are doing to roads here in some areas of region 5. I started noticing it last year when a road I had planned to set up camp on for a buddy's LEH moose hunt was deactivated. This was a road that was used for decades by hunters and fishermen to access a couple of the lakes along that stretch. 2 really small float tube flyfishing type lakes and then that road took you to the north side of English Lake. Well that road.... for several kilometers was deactivated like i have never seen before. They tored up the road, then widened it by several meters and felled all the trees from the widening onto the deactivated road. Then they smashed up all the wood and literally tilled it into the gound. There is no way you could get any kind of vehicle short of a massive tracked piece of equipment. The amount of time and money they must have spent doing that must have been ridiculous. Still don't have an answer to why it was done but I'm told there are plans to do a whole lot more of that kind of permanent deactivation throughout the province under this current retard of a forestry minister and other ministries involved.
Some of the roads they did that thing to as well. They even did it to an entire clearing where people used to camp. I assume the on reason it wasn't done on these roads was because there wasn't any trees nearby to do it to.
Pointdexter
CGN Regular
- Location
- Lower Mainland
I'm seeing this level of road de-activation in region 3 and 8 as well
1) The E&N LAND GRAB – A BRIEF HISTORY – 24.5.24 This synopsis of the E&N Land Grant tells the history of why we are dealing with a wilderness access problem in the “E & N” land area (roughly Victoria to Campbell River).
The LAND GRANT was no more than a “LAND GRAB” as this railway corridor never became part of the Trans Canada Railway system, nor did it reach Campbell River.
Thunderhog
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- East Kootneys
It's about control and denying public access.........
The Federal Governments 2030 agenda is restrict access to 30% of crown land (including National Parks). Some have referred to this plan as the 30-30 agenda. Our corrupt NDP bag-licker EBY the great is also on board with the WOKE Agenda! Give away the crown land to the indigenous, keep the hard working tax payers out of the bush, and support the LGBTQ movement.....
In addition, there is the 50-50 agenda, or 2050. The Feds then want to restrict access to 50% of crown lands. Again including National Parks.
So for the younger crowd that still doesn't understand or get this, it's about controlling the populace, and train them to basically accept the corrupt Liberals are in charge, and will be telling folks what is allowed, where you can go, what to eat, what to wear, and corral everyone they can into 15 minute cities. This way the elitist's can control and watch their ants in the ant farm. Any ants who not tow the Liberal narrative will be destroyed.
Oh and I forgot, forget about owning any firearms of any kind. Canadians cannot be trusted with guns when slimy, corrupt, communistic Liberals are in charge..........
Alberta and Saskatchewan are making vehicle insurance almost unaffordable for many people. This is by design to stop folks from driving. BC won't be far behind this idea. And of course make fuel $20.00 per gallon, this ought to slow us all down....
Gasoline can be found in BC at $2.29 per liter or $10.42 per gallon!.........
Diesel fuel is even worse when found at $2.49 per liter or $11.33 per gallon. I know we cannot afford these ridiculous fuel prices. The news media is already saying food costs will go up again, due to rising fuel costs......
I have heard stories where fuel prices are even worse in the lower mainland of BC.....
So when does this crap end? It doesn't! She's going to get worse.....
Forget about camping, hunting, hiking, fishing, snowmobiling, quadding, Jeep riding, or going on an UTV adventure. Liberals just don't want this.....
Trudeau and his corrupt Liberals, including China-Con-Carney will continue to say;
"YOU WILL OWN NOTHING, AND BE HAPPY"!...............
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They have DEACTIVATED lots of roads up here north of Kamloops for no GOOD REASONS 
just the government wasting taxpayers money 
just the government wasting taxpayers money 
