Factory Savage wins big shoot!
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Ok... I really don't know any of you guys... MP's posts always "seem" well thought out and reasonable, based on a layperson's knowledge of the sport...
RP, can you please give one concrete example of an incorrect statement that MP made, so we can see what you are so worked up about?
so far, there are very few facts, so we are debating personality on the internet, which is about the stupidest thing I can think of...
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Over the last few years, off the shelf Remingtons have seemed to loose finesse in their triggers. I used to be able to adjust a Remington trigger exactly to where I wanted it and adjusted dozens of them. More recently, this seems to be beyond my ability so I just dropped the whole issue and went to a Jewell on my target rifle. Others have had similar experiences. IMHO adjusting a trigger should not require the services of a gunsmith. My beat up old M-7's factory trigger I can still adjust though.
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Rpollock, if you are searching for fame or respect on this board, character assasination would not seem to be the best way to proceed. Make your technical arguments on the subject of your choice, such arguments are welcome; but we are not interested in your personal opinion of others who post on this board.
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RP, can you please give one concrete example of an incorrect statement that MP made, so we can see what you are so worked up about?
The inference from MP is that BR shooters have become dependant on wind flags and can't dope the wind. See my explanation above that BR really is a wind reading contest. This is just like every other aimed fire contest. Generally speaking the winner at any BR match is the guy who reads the wind the best. So how is it, they don't know how to read the wind?
For merely making that observation, and pointing out it would be nice if people commented on topics they knew about, I now have to debate the Messiah and his legions of followers who have never seen a BR match.
It is also not about post count. Good grief.
I spoke with a few Alberta shooters at a match this past weekend and they were lamenting that it is getting increasingly difficult to get new shooters into their disciplines and to try their matches. They cited examples of the "grumpy old dogs" barking at new shooters, criticizing, and generally creating an unworthy caste system. They gave accounts of people getting up and walking out of matches!
Having been to BR matches, I have my own opinions about the nature of the sport. It is a highly technical sport and the competitors are univerally well-versed in ballistics and the many other technical aspects of shooting; I would describe most as experts. I'm assuming you are in the same fraternity so it is a crying shame that you choose to be so arrogant and sarcastic. I also know a couple of ex-BR shooters and their reasons for leaving the sport are remarkably similar, so consider pulling up your fly and put away the yardstick.
You may have a problem with the validity of the informaton you read, but consider what you paid for it and understand that the manner in which you choose to address it is destructive. In BC we are working very hard to de-intimidate the competitive arena. A new shooter walking into an F-class or BR match is immeidately overwhelmed by the expensive-looking kit, the odd collection of stuff you never see on the shelves of an ordinary gun store, and the terminology they only glanced over in books but never put into perspective.
If you want to poke a stick at someone, use a private message. I'm a big guy and I can tolerate criticism, but for the sake of our sport man, take a good hard look at what your comments are doing! Would you want to be the one suffering YOUR wrath?
Hey quit drinking the cool-aid man. Jerry is so far of base, He tells you what you want to hear. I feel for the guy who shows up at a match and gets stomped because he listened to the mytic cult.
Just in case this is a serious question, the answer is they have stepped in. Lots of very experienced shooters have dropped in here over the years.... and left. People who have been doing this for 10-20-30 years, or more, who have competed and experimented extensively in various precision shooting disciplines. People who have literally fired thousands and thousands of rounds annually looking for the ultimate in precision.
Based on these last few threads do you really wonder why they don't contribute?
This thread has run its course. You have served only to perpetuate the negative stereotypes that shooters if integrity and character have tried to eschew. A friend and respected contributor to this forum has been dragged through the mud to no measurable gain, and as always, opinions are like as sholes. With only your character left on which to decide who is right well, there is no contest there.
Too bad. I've read the NRA article published on cryo-treating and I was very interested. Instead of making this a personal attack and simply stated your opinions, you might have been someone I would have really enjoyed hearing from. Pretty hard to overlook the person though. Why not get a new ID and start over as someone who isn't such a git?
Too bad. I've read the NRA article published on cryo-treating and I was very interested. Instead of making this a personal attack and simply stated your opinions, you might have been someone I would have really enjoyed hearing from. Pretty hard to overlook the person though. Why not get a new ID and start over as someone who isn't such a git?
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rpollock, you sound like an elitist buttplug. If you want to reach people's ears to correct innacuracies in certain tried and true methods, please use a more civilized method. So far you've managed to keep me from showing up to watch any more BR matches just in case I might run into you and have to listen to you shoot off your mouth at the range.
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What he said. Benchrest shooting is not field shooting, plain and simple. I have been to some benchrest shoots and was turned off immediately by the primadonna attitudes. The was more flags, gadgets weird looking hats and I could go on and on. If that turns your crank so be it. They could read the wind but at known distances using all those aids etc. Without them they would be screwed. Let them run 400 metres carrying all their gear and make a shot in an uncomfortable unconventional position at an unknown distance and only get one shot to do it...without the use of flags or the other aids they use. By the looks of the condition these guys were in you better have an ambulance on standby.
ok... here is the thing, Mr. P...
I don't know much about BR... I am a rimfire, sporter type of guy these days...
But all the pics I see of BR look like this:
Now... MP says that:
1) he hasn't done BR in a while, and didn''t do a huge amount when he did
2) BR shooters tend to rely on flags and that sort of thing
You say that they don't.
Fine, could be either way... doesn't really matter to me, seems like a small point...
But then, you go off and start tearing into MP, claiming he doesn't know anything.
At the very least, you have to admit that it sounds rude.
I don't know you, but you sound like you have something to contribute.
Can you think of a way to do so without pissing people off?
Thanks.
I don't know much about BR... I am a rimfire, sporter type of guy these days...
But all the pics I see of BR look like this:
Now... MP says that:
1) he hasn't done BR in a while, and didn''t do a huge amount when he did
2) BR shooters tend to rely on flags and that sort of thing
You say that they don't.
Fine, could be either way... doesn't really matter to me, seems like a small point...
But then, you go off and start tearing into MP, claiming he doesn't know anything.
At the very least, you have to admit that it sounds rude.
I don't know you, but you sound like you have something to contribute.
Can you think of a way to do so without pissing people off?
Thanks.
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That match that was mentioned was in fact an 300 meter Fclass match, but I think you already assumed that.
FWIW, there is not a heckucva lot of difference between 1,000 yard Fclass
and short range BR IMHO, except there is no bench in a lot of cases.
Number of shots, etc and gun weights may vary, but the wind is still there.
I'm not sure if you took issue with Mystic player's assumption tha BR is just about wind or that BR shooters cannot judge w9nd without flags, but I know of a few SR BR shooters that were at Kamloops.
I have shot SR BR and BR50 when I was younger, as well as postion match rifle, and silhouette.
there are little idiosyncrisies with every sport, but the wind is always there, as well as the trigger, no matter what the rifle being used.
I took this as a Remington/Savage discussion, which is what it started out as, until the mention of wind was brought in.
Not sure, but I'm pretty well done with this thread.....
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