- Location
- New Brunswick
Hey Todd,
I've got an open invitation for a hunt down in Tennessee. Care to take a road trip!
Now that sounds mighty interesting! Would we be able to shoot a hog?....never shot a hog before!
Factory Savage wins big shoot!
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Now that sounds mighty interesting! Would we be able to shoot a hog?....never shot a hog before!
Then it's best we agree that we disagree.
Sound good?
Jerry
Good question. Will you continue to portray yourself as an expert in everything even remotely related to BR even though you have never actually been to a match?
That's the point isn't it. You pay the bucks and you expect the performance. But one doesn't lay out alot of money for a Savage action and one sure doesn't expect to see them beating the others. Thing is, Obtunded, it looks like it might become more common, as some of us are experiencing some very funny things with them, and Savages are doing better than expected in competition. Maybe there is something that Savage is doing right. It sure seems to be turning up in practice for me. What doesn't seem to occur to many people is that when one shoots good group after good group with an inexpensive outfit, comparatively speaking, like I've got, one needs an explanation (other than one is a liar, or too stupid to measure the group or to count the number of shots they have taken). I don't know, maybe the Savage thing will all blow away, but right now it's looking good in the testing I have direct control over, and in the testing done by my friends. I lean toward Jerry's explanation for why, in combination with a comment that Bill has made. So far it's all pretty exciting, it's starting to cost me money for bullets though...
Max Owner
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Myself and a bunch of others on this site would give a heeluva lot a credibility to Mysticplayer over you any day. Met Mysticplayer in person at last years Summerland shoot. I made a deliberate point to sit across the table from him at supper to listen to him. In 4 shots he had my rifle (Savage, by the way
) hitting close to my target at 1,000 yards. From info he had in his head. Not refering to a manual or anything. I had no clue what to set my target turrets for.Point is the above paragraph is there is nothing cockey or arrogant about Jerry. He doesn't come on this forum and sprout BS. Others have called BS on what Jerry was attempting and proved them wrong in front of witnesses. And to him it was not a big deal.
Some bold statements on your part, Rpollock.
This is a really weird place. Is this a forum for discussing precision rifles or not? It is starting to look more like a cult. The followers having to step in and defend their leader whenever it becomes apparent the leader doesn't know what they are talking about. Pretty nutty stuff, even for the internet.
I know many will be surprised to hear this from me but I think this is slightly out of line. Sure, Jerry has his fan base on here but I wouldn't go as far to say as it's like a cult.
I do agree with what you've said in general about being an "expert" on things that you have no direct experience or knowledge of. Simply regurjitating what you've heard others say or what you've read online isn't exactly first hand advice or a testament to your shooting abilities.
By the way, there's lots of guys here who are experienced shooters but haven't taken in a formal match of any kind. Surely, that doesn't disqualify them from giving sound opinions does it?
Of course not. The issue is when you cross over from opinions to statements made with absolute authority, but lack the actual experience to back it up.
As to the cult, maybe that is a little over the top, but just wait and see..... the true believers will be along any minute now!
thebuckhunter
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Eastern Ontario
rpollock, are you on meth? WTF spit in your cornflakes? For the last 10+ years, Remington $hit and spit on Savage because, according to Remington, Savage guns couldn't make the cut. Now that Savage has made the cut and is raising the bar in the affordable out-of-the-box accuracy game, Remington suddenly has a hissy fit? I don't care where you're from, but get over it! Jerry has some of the most informative articles here on CGN in the precision rifle section. His methodology and documentation save most of us "newbies" in the precision game, a lot of time and prevent many mistakes. He also explains his processes. Grow up and get a life! I don't see you sharing much of your experience or supposed knowlege with the CGN community. I've learned quite a bit from Jerry's articles. From you, I've learned what?
-Jason
-Jason
rpollock, Frankly, I don't care whether you hold every bloody record ever set for BR shooting. Your "authority" on the subject has been substantiated merely by being contemptible.
Jerry is a mentor to many shooters. He genuinely makes an effort to help, he is a wealth of knowledge, he never judges and I can attest to how well he can shoot. He is a fantastic ambassador for our sport both in person and in forums like this. He has proven himself to be a much better man for not taking your bait.
Your allegedly authoritative diatribes serve no purpose whatsoever. You only serve to portray yourself as the as an arrogant benchrest elitist. All the very best shooters I know (BR or otherwise) would never treat another individual like that. This sort of arrogant berating will only drive away people who might otherwise WANT to try your sport or mine.
Jerry is a mentor to many shooters. He genuinely makes an effort to help, he is a wealth of knowledge, he never judges and I can attest to how well he can shoot. He is a fantastic ambassador for our sport both in person and in forums like this. He has proven himself to be a much better man for not taking your bait.
Your allegedly authoritative diatribes serve no purpose whatsoever. You only serve to portray yourself as the as an arrogant benchrest elitist. All the very best shooters I know (BR or otherwise) would never treat another individual like that. This sort of arrogant berating will only drive away people who might otherwise WANT to try your sport or mine.
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
Is that 1 mile record still holding that was set with the Hart barreld Savage action in 7WSM?
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manbearpig
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Somewhere in the Third World
no kidding, thats what i was thinking when i read this.
id love to own a 40X one day, but its rediculous that owners of a $3000+ rifle from Remington's custom shop are complaining that an $800 Savage may have been assembled in Savage's custom shop.
just goes to show there are sore losers everywhere.
all i can say after reading this thread and the "What is a 'printed action' 'trued action'?" thread that any interest i may have had in BR shooting has just died thanks to rpollock. i had no idea BR shooters had such contempt for beginners.
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
There is a very big, freindly rivalry between the savage and Remington owners here.
I get a kick out of it myslef!
Funny bthing is, I like savages, but don't own any at the moment.
Just sodla remmington in 6BR, and still have a 700 long range in .223.
That's for sale as well.
it's not the rifle, they all have quirks, it's the shooter.
Stick Tubbs , Bowyer, or Constantine behind any number of differet brands of actions and rifles , and I doubt you will see much of a change in the leader board....
Cat
grynerfan2
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I'm pretty new to this sport and will "lurk & learn" on this and a few other boards to pick up as much useful info as possible.
I find Jerry's posts, among others, informative & well worth reading. Informative, well-written articles are a pleasure to read, regardless of who writes them.
Nothing wrong with disagreeing with Jerry's or anyone else's view but attempts at character assassination don't have a place on any board, I feel.
In addition to learning something about what direction to take in exploring pecision shooting I'm learning which posters to not read. Life's too short to get all fired up by malevolent, ill-mannered types.
To everyone else, thank you for sharing your hard-earned knowledge with those of us who are keen to learn.
I find Jerry's posts, among others, informative & well worth reading. Informative, well-written articles are a pleasure to read, regardless of who writes them.
Nothing wrong with disagreeing with Jerry's or anyone else's view but attempts at character assassination don't have a place on any board, I feel.
In addition to learning something about what direction to take in exploring pecision shooting I'm learning which posters to not read. Life's too short to get all fired up by malevolent, ill-mannered types.
To everyone else, thank you for sharing your hard-earned knowledge with those of us who are keen to learn.
Getting weirder in here. It is not about what rifle you shoot. It is not about being a beginner or not. It is about people making incorrect statements on topics they have no first hand knowledge about, and then everyone in here rushes to defend the Messiah, and the next thing you know it is gospel!
Maybe Savage is just trying to step up. Remington's quality has been slipping for a few years.
Or so I have read on the net.
Based on your first hand personal experience, how has the quality control been slipping. I've bought and sold at least (12) Remington 700's in the last 10 years or so and I'm curious to know where you believe in what way Remington has fallen behind.
I anxiously await your informed response.
xoxo
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