.327 Magnum

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So all my gun mags arrive (within a day of each other, wonder what the postie is thinking) and all of them have articles on the new .327 Magnum revolver by Ruger and how useful it will be for self-defence, varmint, etc. A good mid-point between .38Sp and .357 Magnum, blah blah...I found myself getting interested and then it came to me - none of us are allowed to have one because it chambers .32 calibre ammunition. Jesus, every so often I get blindsided by the stupidity :runaway:
 
shortandlong said:
Interesting
but its not .32 its .327
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Actually it is .32 caliber.

The .327 Federal Magnum actually uses the same bullets as the earlier .32 H&R Magnum, .32 S&W Long and .32-20 Winchester. In fact, the .327 can be viewed as a re-invention of the .32-20, since its case is only slightly smaller and its performance is very similar to the older cartridge. All of these cartridges should properly be called .303 caliber and shoot .312" diameter bullets.
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http://www.chuckhawks.com/327_federal.htm
 
Legality of the ammo not withstanding, self-defense and varmint hunting are not legal applications for a revovler in Canada anyway. As much as it sucks to be deprived of something due to a nonsensical law, I can't really feel like I'm missing out on much with this ... a mid-point between .38 special and .357 magnum? Does it really do anything that cannot be acheived through custom reloading of one of those much, much more common and available calibres? Seems to me like an answer to a question no one asked.
 
I suppose that the powers that be will make a determination whether the .327 is to be deemed a ".32 calibre cartidge" for the purposes of application of 12(6) prohibited status.
 
+2 for the question nobody asked.

A single gun in .357 Mag will chamber its labeled round AND .38 Spl... even just using commercial .38 Spl, .38 Spl +P, and .357 Mag, you've got FAR more ballistic utility for fun and profit than the .327 Mag.

I saw the article(s) as well in those same magazines, and was thoroughly unimpressed. Add to that the fact that most sixguns chambered in .327 Mag are going to be <4" barrels and I really couldn't give a rat's ass about the cartridge.

-M
 
Well, I was just pissed about how arbitrary it is rather than lusting after the new gun itself. Yes, the beauty of handloads...but I doubt many self-defence types in the USA use handloads...for liability reasons if nothing else.
 
Gun and ammo companies are just trying to stimulate some more sales. Sounds like a great solution to a non existent problem.
 
pontcanna said:
Well, I was just pissed about how arbitrary it is rather than lusting after the new gun itself. Yes, the beauty of handloads...but I doubt many self-defence types in the USA use handloads...for liability reasons if nothing else.
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I believe that factory .357 Mag 158 gr all lead hollow point +P was and still is the #1 one shot stopper. ;)

Therefore they can put that in their .327 Ruger magnum & smoke it..... :onCrack:
 
Why does there have to be a problem before something new comes along?

What if the question was "Who is going to be the first one in Canada to own one?"

I guess we'll have to wait and see who chambers a rifle for it......
 
This continues to be a sore point with me. A .32/20 is a great cartridge and so will be the .327. Perhaps Ruger could consider marking a run of revolvers ".300 RCR" (Ruger Canadian Revolver) as bullet diameter is irrelevant and only the barrel marking is the basis for the prohibition. Consider that the .30 Carbine, .30 Luger .30 Mauser, 7.62X25 Tokarev, etc are to the best of my knowledge not effected under the 12.6 rules, yet all fire bullets of the same diameters to the evil .32's.
 
Boomer said:
Consider that the .30 Carbine, .30 Luger .30 Mauser, 7.62X25 Tokarev, etc are to the best of my knowledge not effected under the 12.6 rules, yet all fire bullets of the same diameters to the evil .32's.
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No, no, no! You don't understand! Those cartridges you named all fire 7.62 mm bullets; the prohibited ones are 7.65 mm. Those extra thirty microns make the difference between honest, law-abiding handguns and vicious outlaws.
 
In American Rifleman the write up suggested the idea that it was good as a defensive carry gun for women, giving six shots as opposed to 5 in a small revolver and better penetration than a .38, less snap than a .357mag.
 
No, no, no! You don't understand! Those cartridges you named all fire 7.62 mm bullets; the prohibited ones are 7.65 mm. Those extra thirty microns make the difference between honest, law-abiding handguns and vicious outlaws.
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now thats a good one
 
As far as i can tell, it is not so much the cartridge that is being promoted, it is the gun, which is:

The ruger sp101, which i had a chance to handle, as the estate lawyer presently for a friend who passed away and who was an avid shooter. he had the sp101 prohib, 5 shot revolver, 3" barrel, in 9mm that uses full moon clips.

very decent snubnose, the 5 shot revolver made it very slim. and ruger tough, in stainless steel. much smaller than the L frame, and seems between the k and j frame, well balanced, and the ruger factory rubber grips are very ergonomic. the full moon clips functioned quite well, for fast insertion, though the 9mm cartridge is small, and i think the 45 acp moon clips revolvers may be faster to handle and load

while researching it, i found on the web that this sp also chambers 357 mag loads, i think as a 5 shot.

ruger then starts this 327 mag for a 6 shot sp101, which appears to defeat the whole purpose, found some american shooters debate on the web that it seemed stupid to have a still a fairly hefty steel revolver for 5 basic 9mm loads (which they said still kicked quite a bit using the sp) when they can have 5 shots of 357 mag full loads for emergencies, and which the ruger revolver can still handle.

the 327 mag load seems to developed for the still growing american self defence market, perhaps for not experienced shooters who think they are getting magnum power from a snubnose?

according to the ruger announcement in january of 2008:

" The ammunition will be available in three loads:
• PD327HS1 H: Federal Premium 85-gr Hydra-Shok™ JHP
(1330 fps muzzle velocity in 3-1/16” barrel)
• AE327: American Eagle® 100-gr SP
(1400 fps muzzle velocity in 3-1/16” barrel)
• 23914 : Speer 115-gr Gold Dot® HP
(1300 fps muzzle velocity in 3-1/16” barrel)

Ruger will offer the 327 Federal Magnum SP101 in a 3-1/16-inch barrel length and six-shot cylinder. It will feature an adjustable rear site and satin stainless finish."

it was with much reluctance that i passed the sp to wholesale sports in saskatoon for it to be sold for the estate, damn!

anyone out there with a prohib pal, do check out the ruger sp101, but imho, in a 357 magnum format. regards to all..
 
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