norico problem, possibly found the source?

i am switching to a LRB reciever, NOT because i don't think the Norc is good..... LRB addresses the scope issue and i can go to shoots in the states with it..... the latter being the MAJOR deciding factor to switch from norc to LRB.
I would never in my wildest dreams buy a springfield M1A receiver...... even though it's cast in canada.

if you are an informed intelligent consumer who values thier money...... the name brand on your rifle should not matter......
 
aninchlow said:
Gas problem. If you hand #### it and it shoots but doesn't have enough force to cycle the action on the ejection / reload you've got a gas problem.

You may want to do this:

(A) call norinco and tell them you want them to fix it.
(B) get a m1a scout from springfield that is put togeather without using a political prisoner / forced labour from tibet.
(C) sleep better at night knowing you have't put money in the pockets of human abusing chicom f**kers.

my opinion - nothing more nothing less.
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slicknick said:
I'm going to make real stretch and gues your name on CGN is your ID# at Medicine Hat College. If so, we should meet up and do some shooting in Sept. Also, if you are in or around the Hat you might want to PM Kano on these boards as he was a student, has some M-305 experiance and loves to tinker. He'd probably help you, I would myself If I hadn't moved home for the summer
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haha close, its a university Id but not medicine hat, sorry.
 
Skullboy said:
Also Springfield Inc. M1A recievers have been known to be a bit off on their dimensions and are cast recievers..................While Norinco Recievers are forged and are right on spec when compared to the Almighty TRW recievers!!!:D

SKBY.
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Yes, I forgot the mention cast and 'maybe' off / 'maybe' on dimensions....and also forgot to mention convenient disregard of design features, like the relief cut to take out the op-rod found on some SAI receivers.

:D :dancingbanana: :p

But hey, don't get me wrong, one may get a nice one...I fondled several nice ones including a SOCOM II until I recalculated and thought about DMR type Norc M14s builds and M25 LRB builds being similar in price.
 
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200250126 said:
yeah its tightened right up. could this be a mag problem? that it can't force the next round up quick enough?

im discouraged because the firearm is over the year warranty from marstar.
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I would be surprised if it is a mag problem just because it sounds like it happens with a bunch of different mags. but it does happen in the middle of mags, right? Not just the first shot?

I would take out the op rod spring and tip your gun back and forth...this will tell you if there is anything binding up in there. The bolt and op rod should roll smoothly back and forth the full length of their travel. If they do, then I would bet big bucks on the gas system.

I have never had this problem but here is a thought for the other M14 guys...maybe Hungry, Thomas, Skullboy or Larry can chime in here...have you ever had a 14 where shooting a few hundred rounds through it shook the gas cylinder a bit loose (I'm assuming it's not shimmed and that the gas ring may be on backwards as we all know is common.)

Could there be enough play in the cylinder with a poor gas ring lockup to move the cylinder to be out of line with the port?

All my guns are in my bedroom where my girlfriend is sleeping so I can't check anything at the moment, but I wonder if the cylinder is maybe interfering with the port? Or is something else clogging the port?

How's that for a possibility?
 
yes.... entirely possible

here's what i would be checking......
1) oprod guide, the band on the barrel the oprod travels through.... is it very loose? if so.... remove the pin, slide it off the spot it sits.... dimple the surface on the barrel with a punch or chisel many times all around... couple drops red loctite slide it back on by tapping with a block..... set the pin in place. with oprod in rifle tap oprod guide until the center of the oprod tip is dead center with the actual piston center (don't use the cyclinder to align it , go from center of piston). then with no spring in place tip the rifle from font to back.... oprod should "with no hesitation" slide both directions freely once rifle is tipped 30 degrees either way. leave it over night without moving a thing so the loctite sets up.

2) after this is done and the guide is solid and "timed to the piston" then reassemble into the stock without the spring and guide rod. then repeat the 30 degree test...... of the oprod sticks anywhere..... you have a stock issue and must relieve the stock where the oprod is hitting.
It's hard to diagnose a stock/oprod binding issue if the oprod guide is not tight.

3) A loose gas system... if there is enough play can and will impeded the gas port..... especially if there is carbon build up



So far of the "failure to feed" issues i have seen and dealt with...... have been caused by the following
1) improper magazine seating..... new rifle..... mags needed to be "smacked" from the bottom after "clicking" them in. solved itself after a whole lot of inserting and releasing.... seen this on several norcs.... they simply failed to feed from the right side period but it was a simple thing but was aggravating until we finally figured it out.
2) oprod binding on the stock
3) excesive cosmo and lube in gas system
4) loose gas system
 
200250126;
Well now, I read through the several pages of comments posted here, nobody has even suggested you call us ??
If you purchased it from us, simply drom me a note, john@marstar.ca with your invoice details and lets see what can be done.... We NEVER leave a customer hangin out there swinging in the wind.
John
 
johnone said:
200250126;
Well now, I read through the several pages of comments posted here, nobody has even suggested you call us ??
If you purchased it from us, simply drom me a note, john@marstar.ca with your invoice details and lets see what can be done.... We NEVER leave a customer hangin out there swinging in the wind.
John
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I did!
 
I dont recall anyone asking this , but what kind of lube are you using on your beasie . oil or grease ?might just simply not enough light grease on op rod or bolt . My $00.02 .:dancingbanana:
 
ianwd said:
I dont recall anyone asking this , but what kind of lube are you using on your beasie . oil or grease ?might just simply not enough light grease on op rod or bolt . My $00.02 .:dancingbanana:
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NO oil is used on M14s!!!!!!!!:eek:............Use a good grease......IE: Lubriplate, Superlube, Etc........

Have a read through the M14 FAQ "Stickiy" that is posted in this Forum. I covered what type of lube to use, and what parts need lubricating.......

SKBY.
 
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um ...... skullboy........... i'll assume the ### sticky is just a typo ROFL....
but yes.... the guys who have have put hours with these rifles and hours of thier FREE time behing the keyboard typin up the stickies and FAQ's.... didn't do it for nothin .... read em kiddies :D
 
I have the same issue. Rounds not feeding properly. It has improved with time.
I was out today. Shot about 80 rounds, approx. 10 FTF's.
Gave it a mag slap...maybe I'll check the mags for sharp edges....
I will give it a super clean again....and put another 100 rounds through it and see how it is.
One thing I do notice is the base of the spent cartridge is chewed up on some and there is some contact being made between the Op Rod and stock.

Obviously hitting the stock here...
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..and here...and here... I will have to do a little sanding.
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ianwd said:
I dont recall anyone asking this , but what kind of lube are you using on your beasie . oil or grease ?might just simply not enough light grease on op rod or bolt . My $00.02 .:dancingbanana:
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I was just about to say that, too. I use white lithium grease, bought in a small tub from Canadian Tire.

Lube the operating rod track, locking lugs and recesses, bottom of the bolt and the underside of the receiver bridge. Don't go overboard.

Good luck! A simple fix if it works.
 
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