Orange "less lethal " stock : WTF?

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Can someone tell me why this ###*** stock would be used by Law enforcement agencies? What's the point of using shotguns that seems "less lethal" when theses shotguns are often used in dangerous situations? To not scare the criminals???:confused::confused:
 
Eh...not so much for LE per se but marine environment use it may be a preferred colour.
 
Gatehouse said:
The orange stocked shotgun is so that it is known which ammo is in it. They use bean bag, rubber shot etc in the "less lethal" versions.
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That makes me nervous... I hope the drill is not to rely on the stock colour alone. What if somebody mistakenly or deliberately loads an orange stocked shotgun with slugs?

This feels like it's skirting a violation of Rule No.1 to me; doesn't matter what colour the stock is, the gun is still always [expletive deleted] loaded with [expletive deleted] live ammo.

Of course, if the orange stocked weapon can only fire less-than-lethal ammo, then it's a safety feature; wouldn't want a police officer stuck with a gun full of LTL rounds when s/he needs buckshot.
 
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I think in emergency situations that can arise such as in prisons, it might require the guns to sit in the guard towers loaded. Rather then trying to fish for the right shell to put in the gun, having the gun loaded with the proper shell ready and waiting could possibly save a life. Where as that few extra seconds it would take to grab a shell and load it could be the deciding factor between life and death. Knaw mean?
 
Gatehouse said:
The orange stocked shotgun is so that it is known which ammo is in it. They use bean bag, rubber shot etc in the "less lethal" versions.
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While I'm sure that is done in cases.....it's also a dangerous and stupid way of LEO. Same is done with coloured magazines and such.

Negligence will get someone hurt
 
I can only speak for the one agency that I have intimate knowledge of:

Shotguns are carried with four rounds in the magazine, safety on, chamber empty, locked in rack in vehicle that has electric release and covers the trigger entirely with steel plate. Officer carries fifth round on person, and slugs are carried in duty bag (so, if slugs required for animal control, shotgun must be unloaded, then reloaded at roadside).

This agency does NOT use less lethal 12 gauge ammo.

SOme agencies do authorize it, even though statistically it's way more dangerous than say, the taser, and less effective. It is, however, a tool that may be useful. Personally, I am big fan of the CS gas rubber buckshot idea for crowd control (having been downtown Vancouver in the midst of the hockey riot, I really, REALLY hate crowds!).

An orange stocked shotgun would immediately indicate which one was loaded for buckshot, and which one had less-lethal. Last time I checked, the first rule of firearms safety for self-defence a al LEO was MAKE SURE IT IS LOADED prior to starting your shift. An empty firearm isn't much use to Police or public safety.

And yes, negligence ALWAYS gets someone hurt. 300 car crashes per day in the Vancouver area, most probably caused by someone's negligence...

Just my thoughts - Less lethal makes things more complicated, but sometimes makes the Liberals feel better.

Neal
 
Winz said:
While I'm sure that is done in cases.....it's also a dangerous and stupid way of LEO. Same is done with coloured magazines and such.

Negligence will get someone hurt
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The Less Lethal loaded guns are marked brightly so that they will not be confused with guns loaded with slugs or Buckshot. The less lethal guns are brightly coloured because it is likely deamed more dangerous to bring it when lethal force is required, than to accidentally fire a live round expecting a less lethal round. Other than stock colour the guns are the same.
 
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