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What's the best semi-auto rimfire regardless of cost?
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Thompson-Contender.
I guess everybody's opinion on what they like the look of really varies.
Just looking at that yellow jacket makes me want to puke.I like the looks of the regular 597 alot better myself.
Wrong Way,I really wish you wouldn't have posted the pics of those buck marks.
Drooled all over my keyboard......
To each their own i guess.
Have a great night guys.
Just looking at that yellow jacket makes me want to puke.I like the looks of the regular 597 alot better myself.
Wrong Way,I really wish you wouldn't have posted the pics of those buck marks.
Drooled all over my keyboard......
To each their own i guess.
Have a great night guys.
Touche!
That sucks, they were on sale last week for $379! I guess i won't be ordering one after all.
.22 semis have always been my thing.
For years I bought every type of high end rimfire semi I could find.
Which is the best, depends on who you ask.
Collectors might pay for $20,000 a Grade III Browning takedown semi in .22 short done up by a top engraver, but they are paying for art. Obviousy these collectors feel these are the "best" semis.
The Winchester Model 63 is widely considered by shooters to be
the finest rimfire semiauto ever produced. One in good shape can be had for under $1000. A bargain compared to the engraved browning if you ask me.
I have always wanted a beretta "sport" semiauto and have never been able to locate one.
I was not fond of my anschutz semi, it was extremely fussy with ammo and had a cast receiver. Accuracy was disappointing for such a tight chamber and the compromises that come with it.
I bought a Franchi with high expectations but the quality was not much above a toy cap gun, pot metal receiver, stamped internals
Of all the semis I owned my favorite was a BRNO 581, all milled parts, very solid, really nice wood, reliable, easy to take down and a nice compact design with the bolt and mainspring slung under the barrel.
My most accurate factory semi is a Voere 2115.
I sold the Brno and kept the Voere, so for me I guess accuracy is more important.
For real accuracy from a semi you have to go custom.
Most people choose a 10/22 type receiver and action for their "custom" gun.
I suppose this is because there are so many parts available and they are so easily interchangable. An entire culture has grown up around this and as a result the most accurate rimfire semiautos you can get for any money are based on the 10/22 design.
Pro shooters in the sportsmans challenge and similar competitions use one-off recievers based on the 10/22 design, or Volquartsen receivers. Starting from there, a good smith can build a true custom gun that will outshoot any other type of semiauto for the few thousand rounds when it is in its sweet spot.
AFAIK all of the records for semiauto rimfire accuracy are held by custom guns based on a 10/22-style receiver
If accuracy is what counts most, I have to grudgingly say the custom 10/22 is the best semi at any price.
If I had an unlimited budget I might start with an olympic match pistol and install a cryoed bolt-action benchrest barrel and McMillan BR stock.
Or if it was legal maybe a straight pull biathalon action with an electric mechanism to work the bolt, or a mechanism worked by a blank or ramset charge when you release the trigger after the round has left the barrel. That would eliminate what I feel is the biggest accuracy problem with high end semis, inconsistent blowback.
For years I bought every type of high end rimfire semi I could find.
Which is the best, depends on who you ask.
Collectors might pay for $20,000 a Grade III Browning takedown semi in .22 short done up by a top engraver, but they are paying for art. Obviousy these collectors feel these are the "best" semis.
The Winchester Model 63 is widely considered by shooters to be
the finest rimfire semiauto ever produced. One in good shape can be had for under $1000. A bargain compared to the engraved browning if you ask me.
I have always wanted a beretta "sport" semiauto and have never been able to locate one.
I was not fond of my anschutz semi, it was extremely fussy with ammo and had a cast receiver. Accuracy was disappointing for such a tight chamber and the compromises that come with it.
I bought a Franchi with high expectations but the quality was not much above a toy cap gun, pot metal receiver, stamped internals
Of all the semis I owned my favorite was a BRNO 581, all milled parts, very solid, really nice wood, reliable, easy to take down and a nice compact design with the bolt and mainspring slung under the barrel.
My most accurate factory semi is a Voere 2115.
I sold the Brno and kept the Voere, so for me I guess accuracy is more important.
For real accuracy from a semi you have to go custom.
Most people choose a 10/22 type receiver and action for their "custom" gun.
I suppose this is because there are so many parts available and they are so easily interchangable. An entire culture has grown up around this and as a result the most accurate rimfire semiautos you can get for any money are based on the 10/22 design.
Pro shooters in the sportsmans challenge and similar competitions use one-off recievers based on the 10/22 design, or Volquartsen receivers. Starting from there, a good smith can build a true custom gun that will outshoot any other type of semiauto for the few thousand rounds when it is in its sweet spot.
AFAIK all of the records for semiauto rimfire accuracy are held by custom guns based on a 10/22-style receiver
If accuracy is what counts most, I have to grudgingly say the custom 10/22 is the best semi at any price.
If I had an unlimited budget I might start with an olympic match pistol and install a cryoed bolt-action benchrest barrel and McMillan BR stock.
Or if it was legal maybe a straight pull biathalon action with an electric mechanism to work the bolt, or a mechanism worked by a blank or ramset charge when you release the trigger after the round has left the barrel. That would eliminate what I feel is the biggest accuracy problem with high end semis, inconsistent blowback.
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From a bench.....ok....but he's specifically asking about a woods gun, not a sub-sub .5 MOA 15 lb accuracy rig.
I stand by my Buckmark.
I stand by the thousands of custom of 10/22's that shoot better then your buckmarks, in the field, over the mountainm in the valley etc. etc. I like the Buckmarks too but the best semi rim fire are, barring price, custom 10/22's - its just he way it is, and has been for a long time now - open your eyes, they're everywhere - shooting better then your Buckmarks. It's just a fact - learn to love the truth.
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esquif; I believe the world record that "Cheif Dave" holds was actually with his 10/17 at 100 yards - which turned out to be a very remarkable group at .079. He also has many 10/22's though that are very accurate (seems to me he has several hundred 10/22's).
Wrongway - We will probably never agree on this.... but the 10/22 makes a great platform for taking in the bush because you can buy a stock that will stand up to getting bumped around preatty good and get a stainless barrel and still have a gun that will shoot MOA at 100 yards. $200 for the action, $50 for some trigger parts, $100 for a stock, $120 for a stock and like that you have a hightly accurate semi auto gun perfect for hunting under $500. Nothing against buckmarks - I would buy one just believe this would be a better choice
Wrongway -
We will probably never agree on this.... but the 10/22 makes a great platform for taking in the bush because you can buy a stock that will stand up to getting bumped around preatty good and get a stainless barrel and still have a gun that will shoot MOA at 100 yards. $200 for the action, $50 for some trigger parts, $100 for a stock, $120 for a stock and like that you have a hightly accurate semi auto gun perfect for hunting under $500. Nothing against buckmarks - I would buy one just believe this would be a better choice 
Wrong Way
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I stand by the thousands of custom of 10/22's that shoot better then your buckmarks, in the field, over the mountainm in the valley etc. etc. I like the Buckmarks too but the best semi rim fire are, barring price, custom 10/22's - its just he way it is, and has been for a long time now - open your eyes, they're everywhere - shooting better then your Buckmarks. It's just a fact - learn to love the truth.
Theres thousands of piece of crap Civics with bigg-ass tailpipes hanging off the back too....doesn't make them a performance car.
At the end of the day, it's still a civic. In both cases, it doesn't mean the product is "better", it just means more lemmings got suckered
Just cause it's "trndy" doesn't make it the "best".
And BTW, theres a REASON theres such a huge aftermarket for 10/22's....'cause they are the only RF's on the planet that NEED it
Same reason theres a huge aftermarket for civics and not Porsches.....
I agree but you have it wrong, or the wrong way.
A custom 10/22 is equivalent to this custom honda civic.
http://www.arielmotor.co.uk/full_screen_v2.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaWoo82zNUA
The parallels are remarkable.
Case closed.
An atom is a close to a civic as your 10/22 is to a match-grade target rifle, they both fire the same round and thats about it. If your going to call a 10/22the "best" don't make it about quality or accuracy. Be truthful and say it's the best because it's what you own and like to shoot.
Considering a completely stock CZ511 and TC sporter are in the superstock .25" club on rimfirecentral, i'd say look at those.
Considering a completely stock CZ511 and TC sporter are in the superstock .25" club on rimfirecentral, i'd say look at those.
There aren't that many options for semi auto rimfires.
Although a semi won't beat a dedicated bench rest bolt action, many are more accurate than your regular bolt action rifles.
The Ruger 10/22 is a pretty good little rifle. I wouldn't call it a civic. I believe in rimfire once done up, it is the most accurate semi auto rimfire you can buy (Volk etc are based off the 10/22). Does it compare to a BR bolt action? No. But still one hole at 25 yards with the right ammo is nothing to sneeze at. Lets face it the semi auto kicks the Bolt actions A@@ at any fast follow up shots. Shoot reactive metal targets and you'll quickly love the semi auto.
Although a semi won't beat a dedicated bench rest bolt action, many are more accurate than your regular bolt action rifles.
The Ruger 10/22 is a pretty good little rifle. I wouldn't call it a civic. I believe in rimfire once done up, it is the most accurate semi auto rimfire you can buy (Volk etc are based off the 10/22). Does it compare to a BR bolt action? No. But still one hole at 25 yards with the right ammo is nothing to sneeze at. Lets face it the semi auto kicks the Bolt actions A@@ at any fast follow up shots. Shoot reactive metal targets and you'll quickly love the semi auto.
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Doesn't the 597 also have an alloy receiver?
The Honda Civic has been the best selling compact car in North America for years because it's a well-built, reliable, efficient, and somewhat attractive commuter car. The fact that some people try and turn them into rice rockets is besides the fact. It's not a "piece of crap" simply because you can't turn it into a muscle car (at least without major surgery).
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Wrong Way
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I never said all civics were a piece of crap, I was pointing out the rusted, black smoke pouring out the rear end types that some kid buys, hangs a 2 foot diameter noismaker off the back-end and sticks a 20" subwoofer in the back, then believes his car is even remotely on-par with a true performance machine (and they really DO believe it!)
Like I said, you can do whatever you want to a civic, but at the end of the day it is STILL a civic. A great little car, but it aint a McLaren or Porsche...and it never will be.
Back on topic, I don't know how all this accuracy crap got started...the OP is asking specifically about a woods rifle. Unless you are bringing a benchrest out to the boreal, I highly doubt one hole accuracy is going to happen.
A woods rifle needs to be light, compact, fast-pointing and reasonably accurate......and ideally won't run 2K so you arent afraid to actually carry it.
And for the record: I am a HUGE ruger fan...in fact, I own more rugers than many people have guns. My go-to rifles are ALL Rugers, from the Deerfield to the Frontier to the 77 to the #1 to the M30, to my pistols....but when it comes to .22 semis? I'll take the T/C or the Buckmark.
Like I said, you can do whatever you want to a civic, but at the end of the day it is STILL a civic. A great little car, but it aint a McLaren or Porsche...and it never will be.
Back on topic, I don't know how all this accuracy crap got started...the OP is asking specifically about a woods rifle. Unless you are bringing a benchrest out to the boreal, I highly doubt one hole accuracy is going to happen.
A woods rifle needs to be light, compact, fast-pointing and reasonably accurate......and ideally won't run 2K so you arent afraid to actually carry it.
And for the record: I am a HUGE ruger fan...in fact, I own more rugers than many people have guns. My go-to rifles are ALL Rugers, from the Deerfield to the Frontier to the 77 to the #1 to the M30, to my pistols....but when it comes to .22 semis? I'll take the T/C or the Buckmark.
The buckmark is just too ugly
There isn't anywhere isolated enough for me to want to be carrying one
With the light weight carbon fibre barrels out there for the 10/22 you can have your cake and eat it too. To make these rifles accurate doesn't mean lots of weight these days. It seems to me, approaching bench rest accuracy with a semi auto in a handy gun, is the best woods gun you can have. Finding the appropriate stock is the only real step.
There isn't anywhere isolated enough for me to want to be carrying one
With the light weight carbon fibre barrels out there for the 10/22 you can have your cake and eat it too. To make these rifles accurate doesn't mean lots of weight these days. It seems to me, approaching bench rest accuracy with a semi auto in a handy gun, is the best woods gun you can have. Finding the appropriate stock is the only real step
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