Rough Norinco?

[jeepunlimited80]

Did your Norcs come with two mags? Mine only came with one.

Also, the first time I opened the box it broke. Not too impressed thus far.

 

[TDC]

Mine worked great right out of the box. It's as reliable and accurate as my GLOCK 17 Gen.3.

You can make such claims, but I'm willing to put money down that the Glock will outlast the Norinco in every sense of the word.

Reliability at the range under ideal conditions while firing limited rounds is hardly a definitive example of "reliability". Accuracy, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Accuracy is a function of the shooter.


I have to agree with Blasterbailey. When I buy something NEW I expect it to work right out of the box.

TDC

 

[johnone]

FRANS:
DId you buy it from us (Marstar) ? If so send it back for free service
John

 

[geologist]

You can make such claims, but I'm willing to put money down that the Glock will outlast the Norinco in every sense of the word.

Reliability at the range under ideal conditions while firing limited rounds is hardly a definitive example of "reliability". Accuracy, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Accuracy is a function of the shooter.

I have to agree with Blasterbailey. When I buy something NEW I expect it to work right out of the box.
TDC

Yeah, what do I know? I'm just the guy who shoots the two pistols side by side with the same ammo and gets the same results.

I have to agree with Blasterbailey. When I buy something NEW I expect it to work right out of the box.

Mine worked great right out of the box.

As I wrote in the post that you refer to above, my new NP-29 worked flawlessly out of the box and continues to do so.

I will call a spade a spade, my Norinco M93 is a POS. My NP-29 is great pistol at a great price.

 

[Soli]

"Rough Norinco" is a redundancy.

 

[TDC]

Yeah, what do I know? I'm just the guy who shoots the two pistols side by side with the same ammo and gets the same results.





As I wrote in the post that you refer to above, my new NP-29 worked flawlessly out of the box and continues to do so.

I will call a spade a spade, my Norinco M93 is a POS. My NP-29 is great pistol at a great price.

Your Norinco worked out of the box. Has everyone's Norinco worked out of the box?? I think not. How many Norinco owners send their 1911 copy for work right after purchasing it. I'd say a lot based on the previous responses in this thread as well as others.

I hear a lot from the Norinco fan club about how their pistol has fired X number of rounds without failure. Yet I don't think I've ever seen a thread about a major brand name pistol firing X number of rounds. Why is that?? I think I have the answer. With a well known brand name firearm. It is expected to work and it does. Hence no reason to brag about the round count.

I'm glad your Norinco runs flawlessly for you. You saved yourself some coin by taking the chance and coming out the winner with your Norinco. For most the ability to shoot at the range with a firearm that functions(atleast for the outing) is fine. For others like myself. If I can't or won't trust my life to the firearm, its crap. If you can trust your life to it, you can bet it won't let you down when competing or plinking. Which is why I find it important to have a firearm that works right out of the box.

TDC

 

[blasterbailey]

Cost of Norc = $350
Cost of Gunnar's work = +/- $120

List of other utterly reliable, smooth, accurate, new, forged frame and slide, 1911's available for $470 ???????????

That's what I thought.

All those qualites that you listed are a rare find in a norc, besides accuracy because if you can't shoot nither can your gun. How many times do i read on here that "i just bought a new norc" then from the same person, i had to smooth this tweak that.. Don't care, get pissed, #### in your droors. I will never promote a norc. I've said before, you can probably count on one hand the people who are "winning" competition shooters who use a "near" stock norc 1911 (i use that term near sparingly). A franken norc doesn't count because it is soo far from stock. You can get a STI stock that will compete. Oh i forget $400 price range? I guess i just know how to save my money better.

Some one says "i don't like norc", then everyone starts to bleed from the crotch and all of a sudden you have threatened their mothers. Gimmi a break. I am just giving my opinion, he asked if it was normal. People i know worked in ranges... soooo i have heard ####.. not just jibber jabber on this site.

Oh what's that tell me how many forums you see oh my sig is a POS, how do i fix my SIG? Or for that matter glock.. Glocks aren't $1000. But it seems people need the "LOOK" so i have to have a 1911. So when i pull it out i LOOK cool to the guys at ther ange.. Looks real cool when your gun don't work.

Here i go again getting in #### on a norc forum.

 

[Frans]

FRANS:
DId you buy it from us (Marstar) ? If so send it back for free service
John

Nope... I thought you were sold out, it says so on your website, so when I saw another offer in the same price range, I took it.

It came with one magazine, btw, in a case that won't do much good, since with a trigger lock or cable lock on the gun it won't fit in.

Frans

 

[Frans]

Just to make things clear, I'm not promoting one or the other. I just like the looks of the 1911A1 and have for a looooong time. I don't care about others at the range, in fact I prefer to shoot when the range is empty. Other purchases made that I didn't want to spend more at this time. So I purchased a Norinco. As Blasterbailey reiterated, I was trying to find out if what I experienced was "normal".

By the way, I shot the gun today. The dots on the sights distract me, and I haven't shot handguns in years, so I'm not going to comment on accuracy. I'm sure the gun shoots better than I can, at this moment.

On 50 rounds I had two "malfunctions": one empty did not eject, and once the slide locked open with a round still in the magazine (Winchester 230 grs FMJ bullets)

Frans

 

[TDC]

Just to make things clear, I'm not promoting one or the other. I just like the looks of the 1911A1 and have for a looooong time. I don't care about others at the range, in fact I prefer to shoot when the range is empty. Other purchases made that I didn't want to spend more at this time. So I purchased a Norinco. As Blasterbailey reiterated, I was trying to find out if what I experienced was "normal".

By the way, I shot the gun today. The dots on the sights distract me, and I haven't shot handguns in years, so I'm not going to comment on accuracy. I'm sure the gun shoots better than I can, at this moment.

On 50 rounds I had two "malfunctions": one empty did not eject, and once the slide locked open with a round still in the magazine (Winchester 230 grs FMJ bullets)

Frans

Its nice to see an unbiased and honest post. I hope your Norinco runs for you.

TDC

 

[geologist]

If you can trust your life to it, you can bet it won't let you down when competing or plinking. Which is why I find it important to have a firearm that works right out of the box.

TDC

I trust the NP-29 enough that I would add it to my ATC if the CFO was still allowing semi-autos. Just for winter carry of course.

YMMV.

 

[Odinson]

I wish my $1200.00 Para worked as well as my $150.00 Norinco out of the box. After a LOT of work, the Para is as reliable as the Norinco!

 

[blasterbailey]

Its nice to see an unbiased and honest post. I hope your Norinco runs for you.

TDC

+1

Frans, i wasn't really reffering to you, to each his own. Like i said i was just giving my opinion, and some one #### in my shreddies about it. Too often i just get the impression from some people that they are more concerned about the looks of a gun over the function. Not my cup of coffe, but i can't nock it intierly, since people do collect soley on looks.

Not like me sitting here saying what i do about norcs will deter anyone from buying it.

I was just saying what i've heard from people who get paid to shoot professionally. So that "you" knew that it isn't just YOUR gun that has had problems.

 

[ian_in_vic]

I know they're not as cool as a $900 STI, if I was starting out today I would suggest (as I have here on several occaisions) that the STI Spartan is probably a better bang for the buck, but there are people here who can't do a $700 toy. With a little patience they can get a Norc, wait some and ship it to Armco, and when it gets back they'll have spent less and ended up with a good shooting BASIC 1911. This will not make them Rob Leatham, or Murray Gardner, or any other shooter with years of practise and top of the line equipment. It will give them something they can practise with. ####ting on other peoples equipment isn't anything other than mean spirited, try suggesting what might be wrong other than "It's a piece of sh*t Norc what did you expect". There was a carbine match on the Lower Mainland not too long ago where a guy with an SKS won - against AR's and Storm's. Any gun which will shoot into an A Zone is capable of winning a match as long as it's reliable. My personal experience with 2 Norc Commanders (one tuned, one not) is that they go bang when you pull the trigger, they eject, and they chamber a fresh round and generally speaking with my admittedly rusty shooting skills (make that crappy shooting skills) they will shoot pretty much where you point them. If you have owned a Norc that's been to Armco you know they are indeed smooth and reliable, since you don't know that, can we safely assume you've never even seen one. Glad you're in the postion to judge what they are and aren't. Finally, Bill Wilson would work on my Norc, but won't touch a Kimber - what does that mean?

 

[shortround]

Get in touch with Gunnar at ARMCO,

He has a wicked rework package for the norinco that turns it into a great firearm . We have a couple of them at the range and they often are now more reliable than the POS Dlask that I fight a losing battle with every time a draw it

 

[TDC]

The price of a firearm should not determine which firearm you purchase. Those who say "my budget won't allow for anything in the X dollar price range." What they're really saying is "I don't have the time or discipline to save my play money long enough to afford quality gear." Saving just $100 a month would allow you to purchase a quality brand name firearm in as little as 6-7 months. So, save over the winter and buy for the summer. For those who cannot afford such a savings plan. Perhaps shooting is not something you can afford to participate in. I would love to get into auto racing but my budget won't carry that kind of burden. My personal play money when compared to the investment required to race are not compatible.

The other issue is that many folks dabble in several high dollar hobbies. Expensive hobbies are just that, expensive. Pick one and stick with it. Personally I think there are many who try to do it all simply for the "look cool factor" or are trying to keep up with the Jones'. When the later is the case, cheap gear is the most logical way to play in several hobbies without selling your kidneys. At the risk of a flame war, I'll come out and say that there is no shortage of "posers" in the shooting community. Trying to impress others who really could care less. As has been pointed out by Ian_in_vic all the wizzy kit won't be worth a hill of beans if you compete against those who truly invest their free time and capital in the shooting sports.

TDC

 

[Frans]

Jeez, fellars, I just asked if anybody else was having the same issues as I had.

No need to get all worked up about one brand or the other, your spending habits, whether or not you're trying to look cool, or your ability to save money for a purchase...

I'm almost sorry I asked.

Frans

 

[johnone]

FRANS;
Yes we are sold out of 1911s at this time, depending on what happens in the short term, we hope to get another major shipment out of China soon.

The earthquake has delayed matters, the Olympics will halt ALL shipments of arms in China.

Regardless we do have plenty of spares to service most of the Norinco products we sell, we do garanty everything we sell.

I'm surprised that the dealer you purchased from is not supporting you.

If you wish send me an e mail explaining everything john@marstar.ca
We simply hate to see somebody stranded....

If this is a factory defect we will still fix it free of charge, you pay the shipping.
Let me know
John

 

[nelly]

The Norinco debate is as strong as ever...

Some people have had great luck, with great prices.

I don't give a rat's ass for a brand name, but I am PASSIONATE about advising people of my experience with Norinco, where the stock ones I owned / tried were next to useless. I gave my 1911 to a family member, who also had no luck with it, and ended up trading it in towards a plastic-fantastic.

This is my experience, not a bias towards inexpensive products.

IF my $400 pistol had gone bang more than two times out of three trigger pulls, I would be all in favour of it, BUT, it seems like quality control is not what it should be. I am glad to hear that Marstar backs their products - That is awesome customer service. Unfortunately, I live on the other coast, and bought from a less helpful retailer.

Why does my experience count for less than those of you who have been lucky enough to get a reliable Norc? Every time one of us makes a note that our personally owned Norinco was a p.o.s., we get PERSONALLY attacked as being elitist.

I buy my jeans for $17 at Costco, and have worn the same pair of dress shoes for over 15 years - I don't think I am elitist!

Good luck with whatever you buy, but BASED ON MY PERSONAL experience with 2 Norc 1911s, and an SKS... I will NOT ever buy one of their products again. Three strike rule. I would SUGGEST, AS YOU ASKED FOR OPINIONS IN THE ORIGINAL POST, that a few more dollars invested in a better product would be money well spent.

Regards, and warmest welcome to the shooting world - Sorry you had to listen to a bunch of opinionated pricks go off at each other.... Norinco vs. other brands is kinda like Hyundai vs. the rest of the world... And Hyundai seems to be making progres, regardless of the Yanks who seem to feel that a little piece of Kim Jong Il is in every chassis.... I digress...

Get a good feel of several pistols - test fire if possible - fit in your hand is importan, but can sometimes be addressed by new grips. Whatever you buy, practice, practice, practice!

Cheers,

Neal

 

[blasterbailey]

Get a good feel of several pistols - test fire if possible - fit in your hand is importan, but can sometimes be addressed by new grips. Whatever you buy, practice, practice, practice!

At the end of the day that is all that matters.. My likes, your likes, his likes, aside, IF your happy with what you bought that's all that matters. If your not, hopefully you learned some thing.