CIL Model 380, 30/30
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- The Conservative part of Ontario
CIL= Canadian Industries Limited.
A Chemical company for the most part, makes paint, and insecticide etc, and sometimes ammunition, even today on occasion. (apparently they did a short run of 303 for the Canadian Rangers)
At one time, they made Dominion ammo, CIL , then Imperial, and IVI. as times changed within the company.
They got into rifles for a very short while, buying them, and having them labeled CIL.
I think Gatehouse is correct, you have a 340 Savage.
A Chemical company for the most part, makes paint, and insecticide etc, and sometimes ammunition, even today on occasion. (apparently they did a short run of 303 for the Canadian Rangers)
At one time, they made Dominion ammo, CIL , then Imperial, and IVI. as times changed within the company.
They got into rifles for a very short while, buying them, and having them labeled CIL.
I think Gatehouse is correct, you have a 340 Savage.
"...picked up (cheap)..." Nice. You sure it's not a CIL model 830? In any case, .30-30 magazine fed, not a clip, bolt actions, tend to be extremely accurate. Far moreso than any .30-30 lever action. And without the limitations of a tube mag.
150 or 170 grain spitzer bullets will do nicely. The only issue is that nearly all data is for lever actions. RN's and FP's. Mind you, you should load for the bullet weight. The shape of the bullet doesn't matter.
"...At one time, they made Dominion ammo, CIL , then Imperial, and IVI..." CIL never had anything to do with IVI. They got out of the firearms and ammo business long ago. IVI took over the Dominion and Imperial brand names. CIL has never, recently, loaded any ammo for the Canadian Rangers or anybody else. IVI made poor .303 ammo.
They did, at one time, contract firearms companies to make firearms that were sold with the CIL name on them. Mostly, but not only Savage. Anshutz, H&R and Boito(beats me, Italian, I think) made firearms for CIL.
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150 or 170 grain spitzer bullets will do nicely. The only issue is that nearly all data is for lever actions. RN's and FP's. Mind you, you should load for the bullet weight. The shape of the bullet doesn't matter.
"...At one time, they made Dominion ammo, CIL , then Imperial, and IVI..." CIL never had anything to do with IVI. They got out of the firearms and ammo business long ago. IVI took over the Dominion and Imperial brand names. CIL has never, recently, loaded any ammo for the Canadian Rangers or anybody else. IVI made poor .303 ammo.
They did, at one time, contract firearms companies to make firearms that were sold with the CIL name on them. Mostly, but not only Savage. Anshutz, H&R and Boito(beats me, Italian, I think) made firearms for CIL.
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- Ft. Mac. Alberta
C.I.L. has not made ammo since before 1975!
They had franchises for Savage, CBC,Boito ( both Bbrazillian) Anschutz, Franchi, and Parker Hale , to name a few.
These rifles were O.E.M for C.I.L.
The C.I.L. 950T was made by Savage, however it was a a C.I.L. design.
They also made some of the finest ammunition available anywhere in the world, and also distributed Eley ammo as well.
Their ammunition devision and plant was located in Brownsburg Quebec unitl they sold that division to Valcartier Iindustries.
My father worked for them for over 30 years, starting in the lab and field testing , and eventually ending up as Sales promotion Manager.
he also did some exibition shooting for them for sales promotion, that was always fun to watch!
Anyway, yup, it's a 340 Savage!
Cat
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I had heard that that the IVI ammunition and now Challenger ammunition were/are loaded in the old CIL plant in Quebec.Just wondering if any one knows this for a fact?
It seems to me that a few years ago I purchased some 12 gauge ammunition loaded with steel shot with the old style Imperial label.I assume that Challenger has the rights to the Imperial name and loaded some ammunition with the Imperial name to appeal to us older shooters who rememder when the CIL/Dominion name meant top of the line ammunition.
My all time favourite load in my hunting 28 gauge shotguns was the old CIL Imperial.Still have some of these old shotshells with paper and plastic hulls.When I see the old paper orange 28 gauge shells and smell the burnt powder it brings back many great memories for me
Also still have some IVI 28 gauge Imperial shotshells.I found these to be a good shell as well.
It seems to me that a few years ago I purchased some 12 gauge ammunition loaded with steel shot with the old style Imperial label.I assume that Challenger has the rights to the Imperial name and loaded some ammunition with the Imperial name to appeal to us older shooters who rememder when the CIL/Dominion name meant top of the line ammunition.
My all time favourite load in my hunting 28 gauge shotguns was the old CIL Imperial.Still have some of these old shotshells with paper and plastic hulls.When I see the old paper orange 28 gauge shells and smell the burnt powder it brings back many great memories for me
Also still have some IVI 28 gauge Imperial shotshells.I found these to be a good shell as well.
Thanks to CATNTHEHATT for the information directly from the horses mouth.
It jibes with my knowledge of it, but I didn't know exact dates. I certainly agree with the old CIL being the finest ammunition.
Maybe CAT knows when CIL started making Dominion ammunition. My memory goes back to the 1930 depression years, in the boondocks of bushland Saskatchewan, and Dominion sammunition was the one and only brand available. But, every bush store in the hinterland had 22 shorts and 30-30 ammo. The trade name Imperial came along later, I remember it first as high speed 22 ammo, in shorts and long rifle, and maybe longs.
My only experience with Imperial IVI was with 243, 100 grain bullets. Here are the notes from my shooting log.
Nov. 14/90, temperature 45 degrees F. I was chronographing my 243 Ruger, with 22 inch barrel.
My hand loads with Siera 100 grain bullets, loaded with 4X grains of Norma 205. Five checked, high 3112, low 3069, average 3094 with a spread of 43.
I let the barrel cool a bit, never moved from my position, and chronographed five of the 100 grain, Imerial IVI.
High, 2602, low 2473, average 2540 with a spread of of 125!!!
Now, I don't like to change the thread, but notice this was chronographed on Nov. 14. In August of the same year, a few months prior, I took a young son, I think he was thirteen, on a goat hunt and he took his 243 and the new box of Imerial IVI, that I later chronographed.
In short, the goat was about 100 yards, side view. My son sqeezed one off and the goat rolled down the mountain. The bullet was found when we skinned the animal, a bulge on the far side skin, and nicely mushroomed.
What was that you said about ballistics and shooting game?
It jibes with my knowledge of it, but I didn't know exact dates. I certainly agree with the old CIL being the finest ammunition.
Maybe CAT knows when CIL started making Dominion ammunition. My memory goes back to the 1930 depression years, in the boondocks of bushland Saskatchewan, and Dominion sammunition was the one and only brand available. But, every bush store in the hinterland had 22 shorts and 30-30 ammo. The trade name Imperial came along later, I remember it first as high speed 22 ammo, in shorts and long rifle, and maybe longs.
My only experience with Imperial IVI was with 243, 100 grain bullets. Here are the notes from my shooting log.
Nov. 14/90, temperature 45 degrees F. I was chronographing my 243 Ruger, with 22 inch barrel.
My hand loads with Siera 100 grain bullets, loaded with 4X grains of Norma 205. Five checked, high 3112, low 3069, average 3094 with a spread of 43.
I let the barrel cool a bit, never moved from my position, and chronographed five of the 100 grain, Imerial IVI.
High, 2602, low 2473, average 2540 with a spread of of 125!!!
Now, I don't like to change the thread, but notice this was chronographed on Nov. 14. In August of the same year, a few months prior, I took a young son, I think he was thirteen, on a goat hunt and he took his 243 and the new box of Imerial IVI, that I later chronographed.
In short, the goat was about 100 yards, side view. My son sqeezed one off and the goat rolled down the mountain. The bullet was found when we skinned the animal, a bulge on the far side skin, and nicely mushroomed.
What was that you said about ballistics and shooting game?
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- Ft. Mac. Alberta
Starting a new thread about this!
Cat
Cat
- Location
- The Conservative part of Ontario
Best check with Steve Regewell on the recent CIL/Imperial ammo, he has some, made for the rangers.
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
After IVI bought C.I.L. , they moved the plant to Valcartier as far as I know.
Not sure about Challenger, but the last time I was in brownsburg ( some time ago) The plant was not open.
Cat
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
They have a website!!
The address to mail is St. Justine, Quebec however.
I have never heard of that place....
Cat
The canucks came in standard load and heavy load. Maxims had 3 1/2 drams of powder 1 1/4 ozs. of shot " long range" and imperials "special long range" 3 3/4 drams of powder 1 1/4 ozs. of shot. I have some canucks in 10 ga. # 2 shot , with the old roll top crimp. In the mid 60's plastic shells were just making an appearance.
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- The Conservative part of Ontario
22 Wizbangs, now there is a memory. I shot a hell of a lot of those as a kid.
They had a 22 shotshell load too.
They had a 22 shotshell load too.
I to remember the old Wizbang .22 shells.Still have a few kicking around here somewhere.
I remember hearing a story about the name wizbang.Seems ,so the story went that the name came from Canadian soldiers returning home from the first world war.Durning the war incomming German shells made a wiz sound and a bang when they struck.Hence the name wizbang.Do not know if the story is true or not.
