CZ 452 Varmint BR makeover(Range Report)
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I just built it as a bench gun for 25 and 50 yards, group and score. It is another way to practice reading the wind and not shooting with the higher recoiling guns.
The quality ammo is pricey but if you shoot one box a weekend it is similar to shooting a 100 and 200 yard agg in group. Just another way to practice.
I just built it as a bench gun for 25 and 50 yards, group and score. It is another way to practice reading the wind and not shooting with the higher recoiling guns.
The quality ammo is pricey but if you shoot one box a weekend it is similar to shooting a 100 and 200 yard agg in group. Just another way to practice.
Well this
evening finally was an evening when I felt I could read the conditions well enough to give an honest 50 yard opinion. Keep in mind I am a novice when it comes to reading wind flags. The Range that I shoot at has high berms. It is next to impossible to get a condition that would hold for any period of time let alone come back. It is constantly switching.
I had 205 rounds down the pipe prior to this target. What I did appear to find was that after about 100 rounds the groups started to open up. I figured a good cleaning was in order. So I went at it and gave it a quick scrubbing B4 heading out.
A quick question B4 I go on. How often and what is the preferred method for cleaning rimfires?
I set up on the table, put the flags out, and set out to try and get an honest review. I stapled the target on upside down for some unknown reason. Just for something different.
I fired a couple of foulers at the bottom left square and proceeded to shoot groups. I just shot this evening with cheap Eley Target. I know it is not the good stuff but as a novice I wanted to hold on to whatever good ammo I have until I feel the time is right and I get my new scope. I do have Eley Tenex, Eley EPS, and Lapua Master M to try.
I shot groups in the numbered order.
I struggled with the conditions trying to find something that would repeat itself. It was not until the last 4 groups when I think I figured out the condition that was the dominant condition. I had a big OOPS on target 6 and a brain Fa** on 7. I held on the wrong side to compensate for the wind. I was supposed to hold right and I held left. DOOOHHHH......
It was overcast today so the light was starting to go down faster than the norm.
Needless to say I was happy with my results.
The limiting factors on a build such as this for an honest assessment is the trigger. I have mine down to about 8-10 oz. It is a factor in you do not have access to that great 2oz trigger. I am also limited in my optics until I get my Weaver 36X. That will take time because of the import export paperwork. The Bushnell Banner 6-18 works but it just does not cut it at 50 yards.
The Stith stock rides the bags great. It is a bit sticky even with the front cordura bags with carnuba wax on them. Some teflon stock tape is an order to stop the stickiness.
The Benchmark barrel looks like it is a winner. This is the MOST accurate 22 I have ever shot that is predictable.
I am not sure what more to say. Am I happy with the money spent? I think so.
I should mention that as it sits it weighs in at 9.4 lbs on my Berkley fish scale. Trying to decide whether or not I should add some weight to it?
Here is the target and some updated completed pics with the butt plate I made this AM.
The target I am using is a freebee practice target I downloaded via the net. I measure the mothball at approx. .475" to the outside edge of the black ring.
My measurements of targets 5 to 8 are:
5) .407 But if I put the high shot in the group it would have been a .196
6) actually pretty big because of the low right shot. If it would have been in the group .153
7) .308 With the missed left in the group .103
8) A solid .254
This is subtracting a .223 from the group size.
This by no means says it is a winner but it tells me that there is PLENTY of POTENTIAL for it and me.
Calvin
evening finally was an evening when I felt I could read the conditions well enough to give an honest 50 yard opinion. Keep in mind I am a novice when it comes to reading wind flags. The Range that I shoot at has high berms. It is next to impossible to get a condition that would hold for any period of time let alone come back. It is constantly switching.
I had 205 rounds down the pipe prior to this target. What I did appear to find was that after about 100 rounds the groups started to open up. I figured a good cleaning was in order. So I went at it and gave it a quick scrubbing B4 heading out.
A quick question B4 I go on. How often and what is the preferred method for cleaning rimfires?
I set up on the table, put the flags out, and set out to try and get an honest review. I stapled the target on upside down for some unknown reason. Just for something different.
I fired a couple of foulers at the bottom left square and proceeded to shoot groups. I just shot this evening with cheap Eley Target. I know it is not the good stuff but as a novice I wanted to hold on to whatever good ammo I have until I feel the time is right and I get my new scope. I do have Eley Tenex, Eley EPS, and Lapua Master M to try.
I shot groups in the numbered order.
I struggled with the conditions trying to find something that would repeat itself. It was not until the last 4 groups when I think I figured out the condition that was the dominant condition. I had a big OOPS on target 6 and a brain Fa** on 7. I held on the wrong side to compensate for the wind. I was supposed to hold right and I held left. DOOOHHHH......
It was overcast today so the light was starting to go down faster than the norm.
Needless to say I was happy with my results.
The limiting factors on a build such as this for an honest assessment is the trigger. I have mine down to about 8-10 oz. It is a factor in you do not have access to that great 2oz trigger. I am also limited in my optics until I get my Weaver 36X. That will take time because of the import export paperwork. The Bushnell Banner 6-18 works but it just does not cut it at 50 yards.
The Stith stock rides the bags great. It is a bit sticky even with the front cordura bags with carnuba wax on them. Some teflon stock tape is an order to stop the stickiness.
The Benchmark barrel looks like it is a winner. This is the MOST accurate 22 I have ever shot that is predictable.
I am not sure what more to say. Am I happy with the money spent? I think so.
I should mention that as it sits it weighs in at 9.4 lbs on my Berkley fish scale. Trying to decide whether or not I should add some weight to it?
Here is the target and some updated completed pics with the butt plate I made this AM.
The target I am using is a freebee practice target I downloaded via the net. I measure the mothball at approx. .475" to the outside edge of the black ring.
My measurements of targets 5 to 8 are:
5) .407 But if I put the high shot in the group it would have been a .196
6) actually pretty big because of the low right shot. If it would have been in the group .153
7) .308 With the missed left in the group .103
8) A solid .254
This is subtracting a .223 from the group size.
This by no means says it is a winner but it tells me that there is PLENTY of POTENTIAL for it and me.
Calvin
If you're still at the point that the rifle can shoot better than you, you've got many, many happy hours ahead of yourself. Enjoy - it looks marvellous.
lineofsight
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Lower Mainland, BC
Came together real nice, even shoots. Now you have me thinking of heading to the range with my CZ452 and Cooey 60, what can I put off till tomorrow...
If shooting lead bullets I tend to run a lead away patch through and have a look after a trip to the range (100-150 rounds?). If shooting copper plated then boresnake it after a trip. Always clean bolt/receiver... and spray some G96 down the barrel and then snake it once before shooting. Not find this to detract any from accuracy and I feel better for cleaning/oiling.
There are a couple of threads in the Rimfire forum with different people doing things differently. For me its a matter of wanting to clean it before putting it away but being a little leery of doing damage with rod (I use plastic coated rod, wipe before every use, always find sliver of coating somewhere but coating & oil softer than metal). Some use a rod for .17 to give a little more room, just watch size of threads for the jag. One fellow posted finding bore snake like material at Fanny's Fabrics (said was there with his wife but will never know), cheap/disposable or wash snake before brings dirt into barrel.
Alternatively, send it to me and I will clean it for you, should take just under a month or two. May have to ship that bench you build with it.
If shooting lead bullets I tend to run a lead away patch through and have a look after a trip to the range (100-150 rounds?). If shooting copper plated then boresnake it after a trip. Always clean bolt/receiver... and spray some G96 down the barrel and then snake it once before shooting. Not find this to detract any from accuracy and I feel better for cleaning/oiling.
There are a couple of threads in the Rimfire forum with different people doing things differently. For me its a matter of wanting to clean it before putting it away but being a little leery of doing damage with rod (I use plastic coated rod, wipe before every use, always find sliver of coating somewhere but coating & oil softer than metal). Some use a rod for .17 to give a little more room, just watch size of threads for the jag. One fellow posted finding bore snake like material at Fanny's Fabrics (said was there with his wife but will never know), cheap/disposable or wash snake before brings dirt into barrel.
Alternatively, send it to me and I will clean it for you, should take just under a month or two. May have to ship that bench you build with it.
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Great gun!
Nice shooting!
When you get into benchrest that stops being a question with a simple answer!
I had a different cleaning regimen for each of my bench guns.
For fresh new benchrest barrels I cleaned between each target (40 shots), then shot five fouling shots off target. For old club guns I cleaned each time I switched ammo and found several hundred fouling shots were needed to settle the gun down, after that the accuracy did not fall off as long as I stayed with the same brand and type of ammo.
Go to benchrest.com, search the rimfire section for "cleaning"
You can read the bore cleaning secrets of some of the best rimfire benchrest guys in the world (presuming they are really telling all their secrets).
Cleaning is like a religion to some of those guys, and leads to just as many arguments.
Nice shooting!
When you get into benchrest that stops being a question with a simple answer!
I had a different cleaning regimen for each of my bench guns.
For fresh new benchrest barrels I cleaned between each target (40 shots), then shot five fouling shots off target. For old club guns I cleaned each time I switched ammo and found several hundred fouling shots were needed to settle the gun down, after that the accuracy did not fall off as long as I stayed with the same brand and type of ammo.
Go to benchrest.com, search the rimfire section for "cleaning"
You can read the bore cleaning secrets of some of the best rimfire benchrest guys in the world (presuming they are really telling all their secrets).
Cleaning is like a religion to some of those guys, and leads to just as many arguments.
Well there
was until I picked up all of the good stuff.
I bought all the Eley Tenex they had, 3 bricks, and 2 bricks of Lapua Master M.
I have 5 bricks of Eley Target which shoots pretty good as the test target shows. Also have a can of Lapua Standard Club which I have not tried yet. I am not going to shoot to much until I get the 36X scope for it.
Lineofsight, I ended up buying a 20 cal Dewey for it. I too prefer using a smaller diameter cleaning rod for the same reasons you mentioned. I am going to pay attention to it to see what it will want for a cleaning regime.
Reg, I posted the question on the other forum but no takers. I will try again. Also PM sent your way.
was until I picked up all of the good stuff.
I bought all the Eley Tenex they had, 3 bricks, and 2 bricks of Lapua Master M.
I have 5 bricks of Eley Target which shoots pretty good as the test target shows. Also have a can of Lapua Standard Club which I have not tried yet. I am not going to shoot to much until I get the 36X scope for it.
Lineofsight, I ended up buying a 20 cal Dewey for it. I too prefer using a smaller diameter cleaning rod for the same reasons you mentioned. I am going to pay attention to it to see what it will want for a cleaning regime.
Reg, I posted the question on the other forum but no takers. I will try again. Also PM sent your way.
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cz452shooter
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Sparwood, BC
Calvin,
As reg mentioned their can be fairly heated discussions about the "proper" way to clean a benchrest rimfire rifle. Most of the time it just ends up with people keeping their original meathod. Is one way better than the other?? Well I suppose each meathod has its up and downs but there are some habits to stay away from. For me I use a dewey .20cal rod, same as yours. I use Butches bore shine solvent and kleen bore patches. My cleaning meathod is basically to clean every 75-80 shots or so - which is when the groups usually start opening up a bit. For just normal cleaninings like this I use 2 wet patches followed by 2 or 3 dry ones. THe last patch usually comes out looking like it started - very white. Every 500 rounds or so I like to bring out a brush (I have actually been using nylon brushes in my 52 and they seem to be working fine but having said that I think the copper brushes are fine as well). I don't go both ways (push it and pull it through). I think this is one of those bad hapbits to get into as when you are going this you are dragging all the gunk and grit that you picked up back through the barrel. Its also quite hard on the brushes to drag them back through. So I push it through the barrel, remove it, push it back through, etc. I usually do this 5 or 6 times and then I use 2 or 3 dry patches (The nylon brush was wet by the way when you put it through).
This seems to work fine for me but the best thing is just to find a meathod that works for you and go from there. Cleaning isn't exactly an exact science yet so there isn't one best way.
Nice shooting by the way
As reg mentioned their can be fairly heated discussions about the "proper" way to clean a benchrest rimfire rifle. Most of the time it just ends up with people keeping their original meathod. Is one way better than the other?? Well I suppose each meathod has its up and downs but there are some habits to stay away from. For me I use a dewey .20cal rod, same as yours. I use Butches bore shine solvent and kleen bore patches. My cleaning meathod is basically to clean every 75-80 shots or so - which is when the groups usually start opening up a bit. For just normal cleaninings like this I use 2 wet patches followed by 2 or 3 dry ones. THe last patch usually comes out looking like it started - very white. Every 500 rounds or so I like to bring out a brush (I have actually been using nylon brushes in my 52 and they seem to be working fine but having said that I think the copper brushes are fine as well). I don't go both ways (push it and pull it through). I think this is one of those bad hapbits to get into as when you are going this you are dragging all the gunk and grit that you picked up back through the barrel. Its also quite hard on the brushes to drag them back through. So I push it through the barrel, remove it, push it back through, etc. I usually do this 5 or 6 times and then I use 2 or 3 dry patches (The nylon brush was wet by the way when you put it through).
This seems to work fine for me but the best thing is just to find a meathod that works for you and go from there. Cleaning isn't exactly an exact science yet so there isn't one best way.
Nice shooting by the way
