Cast .458 bullets
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My favorite plinking/practice cast bullets in .458" are from The Bullet Barn I prefer their 405gr RNFPGC's...
My favorite cast hunting bullets are from Jae-Bok Young his bullets are called Crater's/Crater Lite's and Beartooth they are both WLNGC designs and have the widest/flattest meplats that are available.
For hunting I prefer 405gr/420gr/430gr/525gr/550gr...
My favorite cast hunting bullets are from Jae-Bok Young his bullets are called Crater's/Crater Lite's and Beartooth they are both WLNGC designs and have the widest/flattest meplats that are available.
For hunting I prefer 405gr/420gr/430gr/525gr/550gr...
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Isn't that your company ben?
I cast my own of course - doesn't everyone?
I like a 500gr flat nose plain base made of Wheelweight + 2% Tin. 1300-1500 fps from something like H4198 gives moderate recoil and a huge hurt at the other end.
I get most of mine from Andy.DAN>>>
I just ordered a 510 grain gas check bullet mould from these guys (w w w .mountainmolds.com/).
Nice wide metplat, plenty of bearing surface, supposed to drop at or above .459--perfect for the bore of my Win 70 Safari;-)
Hoping I can find an accuracy load for it with RL7, as fast as she'll go without leading.
Nice wide metplat, plenty of bearing surface, supposed to drop at or above .459--perfect for the bore of my Win 70 Safari;-)
Hoping I can find an accuracy load for it with RL7, as fast as she'll go without leading.
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I get most of mine from Andy.DAN>>>
and I get lots of lead from Dan - funny how that works.
I've bought two custom molds from Mountain Molds. About $100 shipped, great quality, and as you specify. Took 6-8 weeks as I recall. Highly recommended!
I also plink with my 405gr gas check loads in 45-70 and have shot many gophers with them but they are only doing the same 1900fps velocities as your 500gr loads.
What rifle/cartridge are you using to get these velocities?
Also I used to read everything that Ross Siegfried wrote but don't remember the teflon tape as lube article.
Can you explain this or post pictures I would like to give it a try.
Teflon tapeing Cast bullets
Campcook...
About 1993 IIRC I was given a photocopy by a friend... of an article from "Handloader 86 "..."Patching cast bullets with Teflon " by writer Curtis L. Wilson. My friend felt it was from a late 1980' s magazine.
In this article they tested cast bullets wraped in plumbers tape (Teflon Tape) in the 30/06 at 2,800 fps...308 at 2600 fps 7x57 at 2800 fps and several more. (including 45/70 Govt. with max loads but no velocities specified.)
After fireing hundreds of bullets they found zero leading in any of the rifles at these High velocities. Article has photos of Target shot...taped bullets and their findings....nothing to indicate for sure how much tape was used ..but looked like just one layer.
So in 1993ish I got several rolls of Plumbers Teflon tape..and started to apply a few wraps of tape on my 500 gr Lee GC for my 45/70 #3 Ruger. It proved difficult to apply until I used the heavy ballasted Scotch tape dispenser I had at home to allow you to roll/wrap it on.
I spirally wraped from gc/base to just over most forward driveing band and then back to and over the base and cut with short sharp scissors. Did up about 30 bullets and assembled the loads as usual, as they had proven accurate without tape and just normal lube. Shot them all off at 100 yd. targets and noted an increase in accuracy and on average more fps....and no leading.
As this was only at 1300 fps and not that conclusive.. returned to the range next day with a 30/06 and some 20 rounds of 155 gr cast all taped and shot them off in about 10 minutes at an average velocity of 2900 +/- fps.....no accuracy occured at this speed ...but no leading either !
So since back then I have probably shot off 2-3 thousand in my #3 alone with 2200 Fps as max and several thousand more in my 30/30/ .308. 30/06 .338..416..and .444 and no leading observed in any of the barrels at higher speeds either. Although the #3 is now 30 years old the bore is still as shiney as when it was new.
Teflon tape patching is much easier than "paper patching" and with practice you can do 3 per minute easily and is of course its own lubricant....it is not an exact science either..it made no differerence if any of the bullets in any caliber received 1.75 or 2.0 or 2.1676 wraps of tape .
The tape I use comes in a 10 pack for $4.99 and is about .001 thick so every wrap you apply increases its' diameter by that much. This has been invaluable as many of my undersized molds at .429 for my .44 mag were to small for any accuracy in my microgroove .444 Marlin until taped to .431 . And all other caliber molds just shot better with tape.
I don't have a scanner so if you want a copy of the article I can send you one snail mail if you PM me with your address .
If you have any further questions ...ask away.l
cheers
Campcook...
About 1993 IIRC I was given a photocopy by a friend... of an article from "Handloader 86 "..."Patching cast bullets with Teflon " by writer Curtis L. Wilson. My friend felt it was from a late 1980' s magazine.
In this article they tested cast bullets wraped in plumbers tape (Teflon Tape) in the 30/06 at 2,800 fps...308 at 2600 fps 7x57 at 2800 fps and several more. (including 45/70 Govt. with max loads but no velocities specified.)
After fireing hundreds of bullets they found zero leading in any of the rifles at these High velocities. Article has photos of Target shot...taped bullets and their findings....nothing to indicate for sure how much tape was used ..but looked like just one layer.
So in 1993ish I got several rolls of Plumbers Teflon tape..and started to apply a few wraps of tape on my 500 gr Lee GC for my 45/70 #3 Ruger. It proved difficult to apply until I used the heavy ballasted Scotch tape dispenser I had at home to allow you to roll/wrap it on.
I spirally wraped from gc/base to just over most forward driveing band and then back to and over the base and cut with short sharp scissors. Did up about 30 bullets and assembled the loads as usual, as they had proven accurate without tape and just normal lube. Shot them all off at 100 yd. targets and noted an increase in accuracy and on average more fps....and no leading.
As this was only at 1300 fps and not that conclusive.. returned to the range next day with a 30/06 and some 20 rounds of 155 gr cast all taped and shot them off in about 10 minutes at an average velocity of 2900 +/- fps.....no accuracy occured at this speed ...but no leading either !
So since back then I have probably shot off 2-3 thousand in my #3 alone with 2200 Fps as max and several thousand more in my 30/30/ .308. 30/06 .338..416..and .444 and no leading observed in any of the barrels at higher speeds either. Although the #3 is now 30 years old the bore is still as shiney as when it was new.
Teflon tape patching is much easier than "paper patching" and with practice you can do 3 per minute easily and is of course its own lubricant....it is not an exact science either..it made no differerence if any of the bullets in any caliber received 1.75 or 2.0 or 2.1676 wraps of tape .
The tape I use comes in a 10 pack for $4.99 and is about .001 thick so every wrap you apply increases its' diameter by that much. This has been invaluable as many of my undersized molds at .429 for my .44 mag were to small for any accuracy in my microgroove .444 Marlin until taped to .431 . And all other caliber molds just shot better with tape.
I don't have a scanner so if you want a copy of the article I can send you one snail mail if you PM me with your address .
If you have any further questions ...ask away.l
cheers
Every wrap will actually double the thickness........I have tried paper patching alot and make many bullets for paper patching however, I have not found accuracy to be as good as a proper fitting, proper alloy, well lubed, grease groove bullet. The advantage I find to them is if you don't have a bullet big enough for that bore, you can paper patch it up to bore size.
