Ontario Moose Program Review

[Slooshark1]

Well we finally have the chance to voice our opinion and make some suggestions. Now what do we want? This existing draw system must change but it's not enough to just rant and complain about it, we must suggest a solution that will allow more people to hunt adult moose without hurting the moose population.

Any ideas?

 

[captonion]

Change our regulations more towards the way Quebec's system is in place.Its a way better system IMO.

 

[MapleSugar]

Yeah, no shooting game within 400m of any main road.

I can't believe you guys can just step off the road allowance of the Trans-Canada and blast away.

I heard that roadside kills makes up a huge percentage of moose shot in Ontario each year.

To me, it compares to shooting a cow in a farmers field. No sport at all.

 

[arancio]

To me, it compares to shooting a cow in a farmers field. No sport at all.

Not all moose hunters are out for sport. In my experience a lot of folk are just making meat. The least amount of trouble and expense is the best way to go. Others prefer to camp rough way back in the woods and actually hunt; the meat is secondary to the pursuit. It is a very broad spectrum between meat hunters and sport hunters with little understanding or tolerance between the extremes.

I guess there is room for all while maintaining the herd.

 

[senior]

Maplesugar
You should try hunting up north of Cochrane & Smooth Rock Falls, black spruce at edge of roadway & edge of cuts is as far as you can possibly hunt, range of vision would be in the neighbourgh hood of 15 feet, except for a few marshes IF you can get to them.
As far as your comment "I heard that roadside kills makes up a huge percentage of moose shot in Ontario each year."
That's what's commonly called HEARSAY & is usually untrue, & anybody that will believe hearsay really should know better!


"To me, it compares to shooting a cow in a farmers field. No sport at all."
Sounds like a common way guys hunt deer out of a stand???
Your right it doesn't sound sporting either but it's legal so who are you to judge?? & something else you may not believe but IS true some guys hunt for reasons other than sport!

 

[gth]

I dont know the entire answer but we have to stop shooting calves and we have to reduce the bear and wolf populations in calving areas.


Oh, and until the MNR decides to look at the native poaching as a mortality factor than this whole process is still a ####ing farse.

 

[JohnC]

I dont know the entire answer but we have to stop shooting calves and we have to reduce the bear and wolf populations in calving areas.


Oh, and until the MNR decides to look at the native poaching as a mortality factor than this whole process is still a f**king farse.

right on with all 3 points!

of course the province has been going exatly the other way with banning the spring bear hunt, instituting licenses for and limiting northern zone wolf hunting, and looking the other way when natives break the law.

 

[gth]

Any system that doesnt collect $44 each from 108,000 Ontario moose hunters will not even be considered. The bottom line is the bottom line.


Dont be fooled into thinking the MNR wants to manage the moose population to increase AVTs. They want thier $4.75mill from tag sales.

 

[senior]

I dont know the entire answer but we have to stop shooting calves and we have to reduce the bear and wolf populations in calving areas.

Oh, and until the MNR decides to look at the native poaching as a mortality factor than this whole process is still a f**king farse.

Now I certainly don't have the answer but not sure I agree on the not shooting calves bit.

If you do a reproduction check over say a 4yr period shooting one female calf stops the reproduction process by one more calf in it's 3rd & 4th year. So you have 1 original calf + 2 more = 3 moose.
Shooting an adult cow stops, one more calf in each of the following years & possible twins if it's an older cow. Which works out to 1 original cow + a calf each yr for 4yrs = 5 moose & possibly as many as 9 if she has repeated twins. So in that sense in makes sense to shoot a calf over a adult. There's also the fact that one of two calves are male & hurts the population reproduction system not at all.

 

[gth]

I think we over harvest cows also. Any way you slice it, harvesting calves and over harvesting cows is not good.

A spike and fork bull system would be better than our current plan and cut the season back to 2 weeks. Not an easy issue to figure out, hopefully we dont end up with a worse mess than we already have.

 

[northwoodslivin]

I dont know the entire answer but we have to stop shooting calves and we have to reduce the bear and wolf populations in calving areas.


Oh, and until the MNR decides to look at the native poaching as a mortality factor than this whole process is still a f**king farse.

I could not agree with you more, I am a little over two hours north of you and I know what your sayin!

Many calves were eaten by bears last year due to no blue berry crop. Seen 3 big buggers tonight driving home though "adults that is"

 

[blacksmithden]

Maplesugar
You should try hunting up north of Cochrane & Smooth Rock Falls, black spruce at edge of roadway & edge of cuts is as far as you can possibly hunt, range of vision would be in the neighbourgh hood of 15 feet, except for a few marshes IF you can get to them.
As far as your comment "I heard that roadside kills makes up a huge percentage of moose shot in Ontario each year."
That's what's commonly called HEARSAY & is usually untrue, & anybody that will believe hearsay really should know better!


"To me, it compares to shooting a cow in a farmers field. No sport at all."
Sounds like a common way guys hunt deer out of a stand???
Your right it doesn't sound sporting either but it's legal so who are you to judge?? & something else you may not believe but IS true some guys hunt for reasons other than sport!

Well said.