I shot a little buck with the 130 TSX out of my 270. Sure shredded a lot of meat as well. I was surprised, expecting less damage overall than the equivalent Partition....Wrong!!!! I have taken several deer since with the 140 Accubond, it is really a nice performer, with full penetration in most cases. [one of 4 recovered] Regards, Eagleye
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I'm not surprised that the TSX shreds meat. That's its design.
When that bullet opens up into its X pattern, it really resembles a scaled-down blender blade. I ask you to ponder this: imagine a blade from a household blender spinning at 200,000 r.p.m. and passing through you. Is it a pleasant image? Obviously not. This is exactly what the TSX bullet does!
That X bullet with its four hard, razor sharp petals really behaves like this theoretical blender blade. It slices and dices its way through the animal.
This is contrasted with a conventional bullet like a Partition which uses its blunt momentum to hammer its way through the animal. All the resistance it faces from flesh and bone can only be overcome by brute force if the bullet hopes to pass through. No wonder such bullets transmit a wider, radiating shock wave than the X bullet.
It seems to me that, until now, all of our models of measuring bullet performance on game (i.e., rules of thumb about minimum foot-pounds, KO values, etc.) have been based upon the performance of conventional bullets that push their way through flesh in the conventional way, using only blunt trauma. Such bullets need weight, momentum and stiff construction behind them to work in this way. This is why Sectional Density and bonding are so important to these types of bullets.
However, X bullets are different. Because of their extreme cutting and shredding action, they operate by different rules. This is why you can use much lighter X bullets than conventional bullets and still get devastating performance.
Just my 2 cents.
When that bullet opens up into its X pattern, it really resembles a scaled-down blender blade. I ask you to ponder this: imagine a blade from a household blender spinning at 200,000 r.p.m. and passing through you. Is it a pleasant image? Obviously not. This is exactly what the TSX bullet does!
That X bullet with its four hard, razor sharp petals really behaves like this theoretical blender blade. It slices and dices its way through the animal.
This is contrasted with a conventional bullet like a Partition which uses its blunt momentum to hammer its way through the animal. All the resistance it faces from flesh and bone can only be overcome by brute force if the bullet hopes to pass through. No wonder such bullets transmit a wider, radiating shock wave than the X bullet.
It seems to me that, until now, all of our models of measuring bullet performance on game (i.e., rules of thumb about minimum foot-pounds, KO values, etc.) have been based upon the performance of conventional bullets that push their way through flesh in the conventional way, using only blunt trauma. Such bullets need weight, momentum and stiff construction behind them to work in this way. This is why Sectional Density and bonding are so important to these types of bullets.
However, X bullets are different. Because of their extreme cutting and shredding action, they operate by different rules. This is why you can use much lighter X bullets than conventional bullets and still get devastating performance.
Just my 2 cents.
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All bullets fired from a rifle spin, fast!. Therefore blunt, push it's way through an animal is a faulty analogy. These bullets spinning are throwing off shards of metal [jacket and core] while they penetrate as well. I personally don't like the heavy damage to meat that I saw from the 270 cal TSX. I appreciate that tissue damage must occur to kill, but Partitions have always killed well without the dramatic damage of that TSX. Regards, Eagleye.
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Well I'll beef hooked! I always thought frmo reading posts here that the TSX was the end all be all of boolits. Now I read that the destroy flesh by slicing and dicing, they must be the Ronco boolits!
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P-17,
I see where you are going with the blender thing, but why was the original X bullet such a clean killer (eat up to the bullet hole) while the new TSX is so much more aggressive?
I'm not saying you are wrong, but there must be an explanation here.
The TSX behaves different from any bullet I have ever seen before......This includes the old X.
I see where you are going with the blender thing, but why was the original X bullet such a clean killer (eat up to the bullet hole) while the new TSX is so much more aggressive?
I'm not saying you are wrong, but there must be an explanation here.
The TSX behaves different from any bullet I have ever seen before......This includes the old X.
But that would mean the carnage would be controlled by diameter of the blades. Say a .30 cal opens up to .70 a roughly 3/4 of an inch hole of damaged meat should be the extent of the destruction. Blowing a leg off and the other described trauma is being caused by something other than the petals.
This was discussed earlier in the "AMMO" section.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=243195
I still think math prevails: NP + V3000fps= bangflop.
Barnes + V3000fps = dead animal (sooner or later).
Brain shot, broken neck or spine, anything reasonable will do the trick.
NP's perform flawlessly up to at least 3400 fps and maybe faster.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=243195
I still think math prevails: NP + V3000fps= bangflop.
Barnes + V3000fps = dead animal (sooner or later).
Brain shot, broken neck or spine, anything reasonable will do the trick.
NP's perform flawlessly up to at least 3400 fps and maybe faster.
This was discussed earlier in the "AMMO" section.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=243195
I still think math prevails: NP + V3000fps= bangflop.
Barnes + V3000fps = dead animal (sooner or later).
Brain shot, broken neck or spine, anything reasonable will do the trick.
NP's perform flawlessly up to at least 3400 fps and maybe faster.
Animals I've shot in the vitals with NP's have travelled further than animals I have shot in the vitals with X or TSX bullets....
TSX drops them fast- Really fast.
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I call bull ####.
I agree on the blunt/blender analogy being poofta. A bullet can only spin as fast as the twist that is in the rifling. An example would be if I fired a 140gr TSX out of a 7mm Rem. Mag with a 1-9" twist barrel, that bullet will only rotate at one turn every nine inches traveled. That means those magic petals will only spin 1.3 times in the 12" it takes to penetrate an average whitetail broadside. That is the maximum it can spin, and it is likely spinning slower after the distance traveled and impact stress. The rotation will not speed up upon exiting the barrel.
On the other hand, all of the animals I have shot with the TSX and original Barnes X had the least amount of meat damage (when I don't hit bone). The Accubond and the Hornady Interlock come second. And I do believe the fastest kills I have seen and had so far were with the Accubond, though I love the accuracy and reliability of the TSX. I have never recovered an X-bullet.
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The bullet may rotate more than that, here's why. When the bullet arrives at the target, regardless of velocity at the point of impact, the rotational velocity remains, for the sake of argument, unchanged because there are few forces working to slow it down. The bullet penetrates the skin and begins to expand in the tissue, and while this happens its velocity is dramatically reduced from super-sonic to sub-sonic to stopped within a very short distance, lets call it 24". While the bullet is supersonic, for about half of this distance, or as you point out the width of a broadside deer, the rotational velocity has not been effected to any large degree because it is not in contact with soft tisse due to the super-sonic shockwave around it. Let's assume the shot was a long one and the bullet arrives on target at 2200 fps. By the time that 12" has been penetrated, the velocity has dropped below 1100 fps, yet until now, the rotational velocity is still in the neighborhood of 4260 revolutions per second as it was when it left the muzzle. The average velocity through the deer is perhaps 1500 fps, so it takes the bullet .00067 seconds to pass through the deer and that means the bullet can rotate 2.8 times.
This was discussed earlier in the "AMMO" section.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=243195
I still think math prevails: NP + V3000fps= bangflop.
Barnes + V3000fps = dead animal (sooner or later).
Brain shot, broken neck or spine, anything reasonable will do the trick.
NP's perform flawlessly up to at least 3400 fps and maybe faster.
No offense but your comments seem to illustrate a lack of personal experience with the TSX.
Your "sooner or later" reference could be more accurately applied to the original X-Bullet. The TSX on the other hand goes off like a bomb....Ask anyone that has actual field experience.
You are right about the proven performance lineage of the Nosler Partition....The TSX has big boots to fill. That the TSX "drops them fast" has nothing to do with being a great bullet....Some of the worse bullets in history killed like lightning...In the right circumstance.
Only time will tell.
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If the playing field was level, then deer would be packing rifles too.
