Magazine safety's..Yea or Nay?

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I have several Firearms with magazine Safety's and I think that the feature is pointless for an average gun owner...and even being a burden in some cases.
Especially, clearing a striker fired action with no decocking feature(got to stick mag back in)...So what do all the experts out there think? like em or not?
 
mag safeties are retarded.

"clearing" a striker fired pistol by pressing the trigger is for gamers (the rules are the rules i guess). lock slide open, remove mag, visually check, check with finger, no bullet, = clear.
 
Nay, nay and nay. I'm not an expert but I don't like them. IMHO they fall in the same realm as a loaded chamber indicator. Useless 'safety' features for the unsafe......if you handle your firearms properly they aren't necessary. Just my 2cents worth. Like I said, I'm not an expert.....:redface:
 
Let's close this thread down now.....
These devices have no use in any possible, realistic, 'let's imagine',etc.,scenario....
Thus endeth the sermon.....
 
misfire said:
Nay, nay and nay. I'm not an expert but I don't like them. IMHO they fall in the same realm as a loaded chamber indicator. Useless 'safety' features for the unsafe......if you handle your firearms properly they aren't necessary. Just my 2cents worth. Like I said, I'm not an expert.....:redface:
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TDC
 
.... Well, guess someone has to be the "Dissenter" ! The disconnect has a practical use for Police, in as much, as if one wants to render the pistol safe, yet retain it in the holster ( IE dealing with a "Nut Case' ) it's easy to press the button and either remove the mag. or leave it in place. Potentially, handy in a "roll around in the dirt" situation to ! .... David K.
 
David K said:
.... Well, guess someone has to be the "Dissenter" ! The disconnect has a practical use for Police, in as much, as if one wants to render the pistol safe, yet retain it in the holster ( IE dealing with a "Nut Case' ) it's easy to press the button and either remove the mag. or leave it in place. Potentially, handy in a "roll around in the dirt" situation to ! .... David K.
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Yeah, it's always great to have a gun that won't work when you need it too. This has killed LEO's.
 
David K said:
.... Well, guess someone has to be the "Dissenter" ! The disconnect has a practical use for Police, in as much, as if one wants to render the pistol safe, yet retain it in the holster ( IE dealing with a "Nut Case' ) it's easy to press the button and either remove the mag. or leave it in place. Potentially, handy in a "roll around in the dirt" situation to ! .... David K.
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Suicide is Painless. If they are going to be in a hand to hand conflict, it will be an unplanned event. There will be no time to remove magazines. If there was time for that, there was time for pepper spray or the taser.

Magazine safeties can be lethal, how easy would it be to accidentally press the magazine release, and be left with a useless hunk of metal? (I say hunk of metal, of course, because my hunk of plastic has no magazine safety ;) )
 
hawk223 said:
I don't like them and my RCMP buddy doesn't like it either. Does anyone know any reasons for them? Why were they added?
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The major function is to make up for lousy gun handling/clearing skills. I've seen guys "clear" a pistol by racking it then removing the mag.

If the mag's out you can't shoot yourself/your cat/your car with an "unloaded" pistol.
 
... Added as a safety feature. IE Without the magazine the gun won't fire. Down side, often because of the mechanical linkage, it makes the trigger pull a little heavier and perhaps not as "crisp". From a Policing perspective, they do offer the quick and easy means to disable/render safe the issue pistol, the classic example would be dealing with a Mental patient at the Hospital. Gun can be bought back into operation without having to rack a round by simply re-inserting the magazine. The Officers greatest threat /danger come from his or her own gun being used against them, and the magazine safety does offer a means to quickly disable the gun. Chances of needling it are slim, if proper "gun retention" and "protection" skills are adhered to. Useful to the "average" gun owner, perhaps debatable, but clearly the idea has stood the test of time ! .... David K.
 
They are as helpful as the grip safety on a 1911, or airbags in a car.

They are a supplementary safety device, that should NOT be required if the tool is operated properly, but are added to ENHANCE the safety of the items if things don't quite happen according to plan.

I didn't intend to run into the ####### who turned left across my path with no warning, but I am fairly happy that my airbags deployed.

I prefer to have the option of firing the one round left in the chamber if my mag fell out for some reason, but sadly, my employer feels that the mag safety is a good idea.

It's there - I deal with it.

Neal
 
David K said:
... Added as a safety feature. IE Without the magazine the gun won't fire. Down side, often because of the mechanical linkage, it makes the trigger pull a little heavier and perhaps not as "crisp". From a Policing perspective, they do offer the quick and easy means to disable/render safe the issue pistol, the classic example would be dealing with a Mental patient at the Hospital. Gun can be bought back into operation without having to rack a round by simply re-inserting the magazine. The Officers greatest threat /danger come from his or her own gun being used against them, and the magazine safety does offer a means to quickly disable the gun. Chances of needling it are slim, if proper "gun retention" and "protection" skills are adhered to. Useful to the "average" gun owner, perhaps debatable, but clearly the idea has stood the test of time ! .... David K.
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You must be a salesman. Your BS promotion of a useless and unwarranted addition to firearms wreaks of a sales pitch.

If you feel the need to "disable" your firearm as a method of not being shot with your own pistol, why not use the pistol?? In fact, if disabling your own firearm is such a good idea, why not ditch your entire duty belt whenever you feel the situation taking a turn for the worse. You wouldn't want a suspect to use your OC or baton against you. What about the taser! Oh wait, removing your duty belt would transform an LEO into a rent a cop, like those at the mall. Which are useless individuals.

Why does the public call on LE for support?? Because they have the ability to f*ck you up with any number of tools. OC, Baton, Taser, and yes, lethal force from their pistols. The threat of force(and the subsequent charges and possible prison time) are what compels a person to comply. It is not the badge, or the red striped(yellow striped for RCMP) pants.

Magazine disconnects were designed for retards who had neither the skills nor discipline to learn and employ proper retention techniques.

Those who end up shot with their own firearm, often got themselves into the situation by making poor choices.

TDC
 
...Well, TDC, having had to deal with my share and then some, of "nut cases" and irate customers, and having to do NOK where all they want to do is "shoot the messenger(s)" as discrete way to disarm the pistol seems like a sound move for insurance if nothing else. And I'd point out, that when "rolling around in the dirt" it may not always be possible, nor desirable, to revert to deadly force, then it MAY be possible to disable the pistol with a simple push on the button. Really, just another option for Police more than target shooters or "Action Sport Shooters" . Also, in "Lock-ups" the pistols are supposed to be locked up, and as an additional measure, it's easy enough to pop the mag an little bit ... Again, just another choice or option, and equally obviously, one does not have to use the option. ..... David K.
 
It's kind of dumb to me but I'm sure it's prevented close calls.
Though I love the irony of a cocked indicator; the idea that somebody would check the indicator but wouldn't just check the damn gun or be careless enough to know if it was loaded or not.
 
I absolutely loved mag safeties when I kept a S&W 6906 down the front of my pants everyday. The boys would thank me profusely after holstering in the morning. Great for mag in pocket when you are asleep at home with the kids running around.
Good for making safeish when you are really in no condition to think straight.
On the range it doesn't matter, no.
 
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Disabling a tool is equal to not having the tool. If you're unable to operate with a loaded firearm on your side, then don't carry one. All the "additional" safety measures don't amount to any level of increased safety if the user fails to employ them. That being said, if an individual fails to use manual safeties of any sort. Then the addition of "another option" is pointless. Safeties, procedures and tactics only work if the user chooses to employ them. Offering a poor option is not a replacement for sound training.

TDC
 
Considering I've been taking a fairly brutal martial art for the past year, I'd say I am somewhat an 'expert' when it comes to hand to hand combat. We play a little game called shoulder tag, essentially you attempt to swat one another's shoulders. It's fine when it's one against one, but when you are surrounded trying to fend off those hands gets hard, fast. A magazine disconnect isn't meant for civilians, or even the military, but for law enforcement officers who may become surrounded. Retention techniques, hand to hand techniques, both fail when enough odds are stacked against you. One, two, maybe even three people, sure. You can argue you shouldn't have ever entered that situation to start with, but unfortunately, if you're an officer, you might be ordered into one. Personally, I dislike them, but there is a reason why they exist. If you have it, it's not attached to you by a lanyard, or it's not bolted into your thigh, it can be taken away from you.
 
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