Beretta Extrema2's shooting to the left.

I bought the exact same gun on Sunday......and guess what? It shot to the left :)

I however, KNOW why it shot to the left. When I got home I picked a spot on the wall, pulled up the gun and dry-fired at the spot....then I sighted down the barrel only to see that I was indeed, POINTING it to the left.

Why? The Xtreema II comes with a considerable amount of RH cast set in the stock, and cast-off is something that a lot of guys who have bought the XII have never experienced before. For me anyway, this was the first gun that I shot with any cast at all. All my other shotguns have been straight. (Rems. Mossy's, Browning pumps)

In fact, there is too much cast for me as it sits. At some point this weeekend I'll be playing with the varaible cast/drop spacers that came with the gun and I'll see if I can get it pointing naturally.

And to the OP: The gun *may* be shooting to the left, but you should be able to tune the fit to have it hit where you point. Shotguns are never, ever aimed (well, except for slug guns). Do what I did, and without *thinking* about it, snap the gun to your shoulder and "shoot" at a spot on the wall, then see where it's pointed after. I think you'll find it is the stock fit afterall that is screwing you up :)

WW
 
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Win/64 said:
Covey Ridge said:
That's what got me about this whole thread. Who in there right mind patterns a 12 ga off the bench. :confused:
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I know it's an un-orthodox method. As I had stated previously, I always freehand shoot when patterning. I did so only to find the gun shooting to the left. I simply benched the gun (this time) to eliminate the potential for human error and potentially un-earth some other rudimentary explanation for the shots to the left.

The bottom line is: THE GUN SHOOTS TO THE LEFT. Trying different things in order to solve a problem is a normal procedure in the process of elimination. I urge those who wish to comment to not get side tracked.

Sorry guys if I appaer to be a bit touchy with this issue. time and time again, I have people avoiding the fact that the gun shoots to the left (until they actually pick it up and fire it). Im simply looking for some facts as to why it shoots one load dead on and the other load to the left.

Thanks to all of those who have posted excellent information.
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Wrong Way said:
I bought the exact same gun on Sunday......and guess what? It shot to the left :)

I however, KNOW why it shot to the left. When I got home I picked a spot on the wall, pulled up the gun and dry-fired at the spot....then I sighted down the barrel only to see that I was indeed, POINTING it to the left.

Why? The Xtreema II comes with a considerable amount of RH cast set in the stock, and cast-off is something that a lot of guys who have bought the XII have never experienced before. For me anyway, this was the first gun that I shot with any cast at all. All my other shotguns have been straight. (Rems. Mossy's, Browning pumps)

In fact, there is too much cast for me as it sits. At some point this weeekend I'll be playing with the varaible cast/drop spacers that came with the gun and I'll see if I can get it pointing naturally.

And to the OP: The gun *may* be shooting to the left, but you should be able to tune the fit to have it hit where you point. Shotguns are never, ever aimed (well, except for slug guns). Do what I did, and without *thinking* about it, snap the gun to your shoulder and "shoot" at a spot on the wall, then see where it's pointed after. I think you'll find it is the stock fit afterall that is screwing you up :)

WW
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Thanks for posting your take Wrong.

The next time youre shooting, may I suggest you pattern both a target load and waterfowl load. I would love to know if youre now shooting the target load to the right after making the adjustments.
 
Win/64 said:
The ones he liked the answers to. :)
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Just for the hell of it this is my take. Many points stated before, including yourself. If one were shooting low and to the left with a rifle with iron sights the adjustment of the rear sight would be high and to the right. Since there is no rear sight on a shot gun, the eye has to act as a rear sight. Since a shot gun is best pointed and not sighted this is best achieved by adjusting the position of the eye by means of adjusting of stock fit to natural mount position. Since many rifles do not shoot every load to the same poi, why should we expect a shot gun to do so? The reason why a shot gun does not shoot all loads to the same poi is probably as numerous as for reasons with a rifle. For hunting, if I was changing my load, I would re sight my rifle. Since the original poster through all of his benching but more important, by his standing shot has noticed a difference in poi, he should adjust the dimensions of his stock or find ammo that shoots where he looks. The original poster should understand that the rib, no matter how much he wishes it, is not a reliable sight. Make the gun shoot where you look, and if you can not handle the fact that it may not be along the rib, well your only option is to change guns.
 
Lowkey,

Boomer, Wrongway, and Covey are giving you good advice. You need to make the gun fit properly (i.e. cast) and different loads will pattern differently.

On another note, what are you calling "heavy waterfowl loads"? Are you shooting 3 1/2"? Somewhere I remember seeing footage of a 12 guage receiver in slow-mo' while firing 3 1/2" shells and the amount of distortion and twist was scary. That is why the SBE II is so popular is that the receiver is built to withstand the recoil from the 3 1/2". Another thought is that: just as a side by side gun will kick to the side of the fired barrel, if you have too much cast (your stock is off centre to the right) would the gun not recoil back and left? Could this be exagerated with the heavier loads?
 
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Lowkey,

Boomer, Wrongway, and Covey are giving you good advice. You need to make the gun fit properly (i.e. cast) and different loads will pattern differently.

On another note, what are you calling "heavy waterfowl loads"? Are you shooting 3 1/2"? Somewhere I remember seeing footage of a 12 guage receiver in slow-mo' while firing 3 1/2" shells and the amount of distortion and twist was scary. That is why the SBE II is so popular is that the receiver is built to withstand the recoil from the 3 1/2". Another thought is that: just as a side by side gun will kick to the side of the fired barrel, if you have too much cast (your stock is off centre to the right) would the gun not recoil back and left? Could this be exagerated with the heavier loads?
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You read my mind pudel! Both your points make perfect sense and fall in line with the other valid points outlined within this thread.

I will follow the same path as wrongway, and try various fit adjustments and pattern (freehand) with diff loads.

Thanks all.
 
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