Range Report XCR and Tavor

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Well I went out today. Fired 300 rounds through the XCR to break it in. Didn't have any malfunctions. I also shot 100 rounds through my Tavor flawlessly. I managed to sight both rifles in too. The Elcan SpectorDR is truely a great rifle scope. Clarity was exceptional and illumination was great as the sun started to weaken. The Meprolight on the Tavor though I am not as impressed with. It could be that I need glasses too, but I found it difficult to shoot at anything further than 50 yards with it. My groups with it were terrible too 3 inches at 50 yards. I wonder if it is the 55gr AE going through that 1 in 7 twist barrel that is affecting my accuracy. Next time I will try the 62gr ammo. I think the Tavor might be best suited for very close combat so it may not be designed to shoot extremely accurately. I think I might buy that picatinny rail for it and either put an ACOG or an Elcan SpectorDR or Eotech with Magnifier on it. The XCR shot 2 inch groups at 100 yards fairly easy. Though I must say I am rather rusty as I haven't even fired a rifle in 2 years. And I only fired pistols the last time about a year ago. I am sure with some more practice and maybe some better ammo I could bring those groups down to 1.5 to 1 inch groups. All in all a good day, wish the range wasn't so busy though. Definitely got some weird looks when people saw the Tavor haha.
 
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I hadthe same feelings between SL8 with Bushnell tactical scope and Tavor.Tavor is a must have cool gun but no further than 100.I had 12 inch groups with it and the SL8 had 3 inch groups.I was also using $hit 55AE and some even were not crimped enough again and bullet pushed inside.All I have to shoot is 55 gr untill I start reloading then I have some 62
 
Thanks for the review - I just checked their sweb site and the Meprolight has a 5.5 MOA dot...That's pretty big and it could affect your groups but so could a lot of other variables...that sight and rifle combo should do better than 3 inches at 50 though....how did you do the testing, benched?
 
dgal said:
I hadthe same feelings between SL8 with Bushnell tactical scope and Tavor.Tavor is a must have cool gun but no further than 100.I had 12 inch groups with it and the SL8 had 3 inch groups.I was also using $hit 55AE and some even were not crimped enough again and bullet pushed inside.All I have to shoot is 55 gr untill I start reloading then I have some 62
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12 inch groups at 100:eek:!!There's something wrong there man, was the meprolight on tight enough? Did you test it with the irons? 12 inch groups are not good...SKS is about 4 inches...and I've seen them shoot under two. Wow. I'm assuming you guys are experienced shooters...so something has to be wrong...which is odd as I thought the Tavor was supposed to be quite accurate...
 
SL8 - OMG dude. shooting an SL8 can shoot .4" just do a search on it. I've done it! bench the gun and put a good scope on it. start shooting 75gr's through a 1/7" and good things happen. It is an AMAZING rifle minus the ghay stock.

XCR - Love mine, badass looking gun. It's a shooter out of the box 1" groups easy with 55's, got to a 62 or a 68 and great things happen, 75 is a bit heavy for a 1/9.

Tavor - Don't have one but know from others that have shot it, gun is ridiculously accurate but the optics really let it down. Why build a rifle that can drive tacks and then put a 5.5MOA dot on it. My buddy is having a replacement rail machined for his that can support a ACOG. Interested to see how that one will turn out. OL' MAC "I beat small Children" off of Futureweapons was drilling the target at 200m or something like that shooting offhand....... believe everything you see on TV. Never the less I've see results of the gun benched and it rocks. Can get .5" MOA with the proper optics, which is awesome it makes all the mistakes on target.... YOURS.

cheers.
 
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12 inch groups at 100:eek:!!There's something wrong there man, was the meprolight on tight enough? Did you test it with the irons? 12 inch groups are not good...SKS is about 4 inches...and I've seen them shoot under two. Wow. I'm assuming you guys are experienced shooters...so something has to be wrong...which is odd as I thought the Tavor was supposed to be quite accurate...
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12" groups! was the action closed up tight? Was the barrel locked in properly? I've got rimfires that have rode around the back of my truck for years that are more accurate then that.

The israelies know how to build accurate, bad ass MF guns. If your getting 12" groups I think it's you or what your shooting through it.
 
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Clobbersauras said:
Thanks for the review - I just checked their sweb site and the Meprolight has a 5.5 MOA dot...That's pretty big and it could affect your groups but so could a lot of other variables...that sight and rifle combo should do better than 3 inches at 50 though....how did you do the testing, benched?
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I was sitting at a bench but not supported by anything with both rifles so you could say they weren't properly benched. I should look into buying the picatinny rail for the tavor and put either an ACOG or elcan on it too i am thinking or do you guys think a eotech with a magnifier would be possible on that short little rail? Ya that dot is too big it took up the whole target at 50 yards and I didn't dare go beyond that cause I getting terrible groups at 50 already. For right now I like the XCR more but if the tavor had better optics that might change. Might head out again on sunday with a buddy of mine now they are sighted in. Like I said too I haven't shot a rifle in two years so that might have something to do with it too.
 
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Gentlemen, it is sad to hear about 3" groups at 50. I decided not to buy Tavor for various reasons but I think I tested accuracy well enough earlier with demo piece. Rifle definitely not easy to shoot accurately due to lack of appropriate sights. Try two things

- use black bull bigger than red dot at that distance. I figured 8" bull gives under 2" groups at 100 yards with my half-ass attempt.

- develop the same grip of the rifle every time you shoot it. Some folks disagree but I maintain Mepro parallax is pretty bad at 50 yards, so at close distances your consistent grip or rather pupil positioning is very important.

Those two things are more important than bullet weight and in my opinion if not for mepro we would be hearing about 1" groups at a 100 right now. Just 2c.
 
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I was sitting at a bench but not supported by anything with both rifles so you could say they weren't properly benched. I should look into buying the picatinny rail for the tavor and put either an ACOG or elcan on it too i am thinking or do you guys think a eotech with a magnifier would be possible on that short little rail? Ya that dot is too big it took up the whole target at 50 yards and I didn't dare go beyond that cause I getting terrible groups at 50 already. For right now I like the XCR more but if the tavor had better optics that might change. Might head out again on sunday with a buddy of mine now they are sighted in. Like I said too I haven't shot a rifle in two years so that might have something to do with it too.
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I'm not too familiar with eotechs but I think they have larger dots as well. Aimpoint may be a good choice as they can be bought with 2 MOA dots. I have an Aimpoint Micro on my Type 97 and It works very well..it has a 4 MOA dot. If you are looking for something with magnification a Leupold CQT or Horus Vision Talon may be suitable for you needs.
 
Wow...after all of ArmedSask's whining about the XCR, looks like the tavor (although still very cool) is not worth the hype either. Sights worth dumping, mount problems and highly inaccurate. My XCR is a straight shooter out of the box, has great flip up iron sights that just happens to co-witness with my Aimpoint Comp M3 with ARMS 62 mount. Dang I looooove the XCR.

I have no desire to knock the Tavor cause if I had the money I would have bought it as well. But the grouping sounds terrible. If bench shooting with bags or a led sled, the sights should be causing that big a group. Sounds like they are just innacurate. Anyone got a bore scope to check theirs out?
 
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Tavor 100 yard groups

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Here's a 5 round group I shot with the Tavor at 100 yards.

It looks like 2.5" to 3", not stunning accuracy, but not bad considering the ammo (AE 55 gr) and the fact that one is using a reflex sight ... and certainly better than the 12" some have reported. ;)

I have personally found that I can shoot better when I can see better. All the same, even with the Mepro the Tavor is good to 100 yards at least. Maintaining a consistent grip and viewpoint assists accuracy when using that sighting system. Alternatively, one could use the iron sights instead of the Mepro.

I had tested it against one of my AR 15's and found that the accuracy was comparable given a similar sighting system (red dot or irons on the AR).

I'll try some at 200 one of these days and post the results here.
 
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My eotech puts my mepro to shame. Its obvious which is the superior sight. Only way the tavor would shoot good with a mepro is if it where the chevron reticle one.
 
Gothmog said:
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Here's a 5 round group I shot with the Tavor at 100 yards.

It looks like 2.5" to 3", not stunning accuracy, but not bad considering the ammo (AE 55 gr) and the fact that one is using a reflex sight ... and certainly better than the 12" some have reported. ;)

I have personally found that I can shoot better when I can see better. All the same, even with the Mepro the Tavor is good to 100 yards at least. Maintaining a consistent grip and viewpoint assists accuracy when using that sighting system. Alternatively, one could use the iron sights instead of the Mepro.

I had tested it against one of my AR 15's and found that the accuracy was comparable given a similar sighting system (red dot or irons on the AR).

I'll try some at 200 one of these days and post the results here.
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100 yard group with my $99, iron sight SKS. :D Flamesuit on!

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Dot size isn't the issue, just use a big enough target to get a consistent sight pic. i can shoot my 9mmAR @ 100yds and get sub 3" 5 shot groups with a 5moa dot on a standard ipsc target.
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Clobbersauras said:
12 inch groups at 100:eek:!!There's something wrong there man, was the meprolight on tight enough? Did you test it with the irons? 12 inch groups are not good...SKS is about 4 inches...and I've seen them shoot under two. Wow. I'm assuming you guys are experienced shooters...so something has to be wrong...which is odd as I thought the Tavor was supposed to be quite accurate...
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SL8 had 3 inch groups at 100.Maybe I never wrote it properly in my first post.The SL8 has a bipod.I agree 12 inch groups with Tavor at 100 sitting at a table is bad but the dot seems to take up a big pat of the target :) Also I agree the SL8 will not be as picky with ammo as a 1:7 Tavor
 
Gothmog said:
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Here's a 5 round group I shot with the Tavor at 100 yards.

It looks like 2.5" to 3", not stunning accuracy, but not bad considering the ammo (AE 55 gr) and the fact that one is using a reflex sight ... and certainly better than the 12" some have reported. ;)
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My groups were better than that at 50 yards but not by much with the tavor. I am definitely getting that picatinny rail. I am sure properly benched and with a decent sight on the gun it will provide good groups. I am thinking the meprolight is better suited to be a shotgun sight.
 
Also the 12 inch group was a 10 shot group.Thats how many fit in my mags.I don't understand why people use 5 or even 3 shot groups?
 
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