Variations of the P14

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Has anyone seen one/own one like this? The finger groove looks a bit high.

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Is guy from the Lithuania Army?

I remember finding a link a while back with all sorts of pics like that with Europeans armed with P14's.

I'm not sure about the finger groves, could it be a P17?
Handsome rifles IMHO.
 
Looks Estonian?
Yes that is a P14
Pretty much a standard Fatboy stock
Sometimes you see P14's wearing M17 wood.
Minor differences between the two are the buttstock screw and provisions for the volley sight.

Some P14's had the finger grooves and some did not. Other than that I am not aware of any differences. I think it was merely a step that was either removed by Eddystone, Remington and Winchester.
 
Riflechair said:
Looks Estonian?
Yes that is a P14
Pretty much a standard Fatboy stock
Sometimes you see P14's wearing M17 wood.
Minor differences between the two are the buttstock screw and provisions for the volley sight.

Some P14's had the finger grooves and some did not. Other than that I am not aware of any differences. I think it was merely a step that was either removed by Eddystone, Remington and Winchester.
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That is most definately NOT a "fatboy" stock.
 
I wonder if that high finger groove is just an illusion. The other pics look rather normal.

I am told the picture is a Latvian. They were delivered a bunch of P14s by the British in 1919 to fight the Bolsheviks but ended up kicking both the Bolsheviks and Germans out of Latvia even though they were far far outnumbered. There's a new movie called "Guards of Riga" about this battle. (Rigas Sargi in Latvian).

I just noticed that bottom pic with the soldier who has his sling through the stacking swivel!!!
 
skirsons said:
I wonder if that high finger groove is just an illusion. The other pics look rather normal.
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I see what you mean, but if you follow the line back from the top of the finger groove, it seems to line up like a regular P14 stock should,


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Regards,
Badger
 
Riflechair said:
Looks Estonian?
Yes that is a P14
Pretty much a standard Fatboy stock
Sometimes you see P14's wearing M17 wood.
Minor differences between the two are the buttstock screw and provisions for the volley sight.

Some P14's had the finger grooves and some did not. Other than that I am not aware of any differences. I think it was merely a step that was either removed by Eddystone, Remington and Winchester.
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That's NOT an Eddystone "fatboy" stock. It's a regular Remington or Winchester stock. The Fatboy stock doesn't have an elongated round-tipped finger groove. The term "fatboy" applies SPECIFICALLY to the stocks made at Eddystone, which has a forearm swell instead of a finger groove.

THIS is a "fatboy" stock:
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It is definitely a P14 with volley sights, not an M1917.
 
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Damn, people have been growing. Look how big the rifle looks compared to the soldiers, and then compare it to how it looks in Claven's hands.
 
Calum said:
I remember finding a link a while back with all sorts of pics like that with Europeans armed with P14's.
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Ok, I followed your link and it mentions Estonia and Lithuania, but I was hoping to find a mention of German P14's. I'm looking to prove or disprove the theory that the proof marks on the unit disc of my P14 are indeed German:

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I wonder how common such P14's are these days?
 
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J for Jerman?

The problem with an eagle is that every country is an eagle... Poland, Russia, Austria Hungary, United States.... the eagle is the prostitute of national symbolism.
 
Over at Gunboards Lee-Enfield forum, I've 2 opinions in favour of Germany:

The bottom marking looks like a German proof mark under the 1939 rules. The head of the eagle points to the left--German---and the eagle with the J underneath is a German proof mark designating a new proof after repair. The Crown with the R is a German proof under the 1891 Proof Laws that were in force up to 1939.

(Page 58 -the Standard Directory of Proof Marks)
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and this one:

The Eagle/J resembles a common German polizie marking. There is a similar fireproofing Eagle/N, but this would only be found on the pressure-bearing parts, ie, barrel, reciever, and bolt.
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I know, the loudest words in there were "looks like" and "resembles". :)
But a German variation would be interesting, no?

Here's the obverse of the disc:

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