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Here's the spec's...

ht tp://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/factsheets/deactivate_e.asp

Criminal Code S.2 "firearm"

"firearm" means a barrelled weapon from which any shot, bullet or other projectile can be discharged and that is capable of causing serious bodily injury or death to a person, and includes any frame or receiver of such a barrelled weapon and any that can be adapted for use as a firearm;
1. Deactivation of Small Arms of Calibre 20mm or Less

a. Semi-automatic, Full Automatic, Selective Fire, and Converted Firearms.

1. A hardened steel blind pin of bore diameter or larger must be force fit through the barrel at the chamber, and where practical, simultaneously through the frame or receiver, to permanently prevent chambering of ammunition. Furthermore, the blind pin must be permanently welded in place so that the exposed end of the pin is completely covered by weld. The strength and hardness of the weld must be that of the metal used in the construction of the firearm. In the case of firearms having calibres greater than 12.7 mm (.5 inch), the pin need not be larger in diameter than 12.7 mm. In the case of multi-barrelled firearms, all barrels must be pinned, using as many pins as necessary to block all chambers.

2. The barrel must be permanently welded to the frame or receiver to prevent replacement.

3. The breech face or portion of the breech bolt which supports the cartridge must be removed or drilled out to a diameter at least as large as the base of the cartridge, so that the bolt can no longer support the cartridge.

4. The receiver must be completely and permanently welded closed to prevent replacement of the breech bolt.

5. In the case of firearms designed to support full-automatic fire, the trigger mechanism must be rendered unusable. Any trigger mechanism part or component, which is necessary for full-automatic fire, must be destroyed by cutting or grinding and permanently welded in place to prevent replacement.

b. Rifles, Shotguns and Handguns other than Revolvers

1. The barrel, bolt and frame or receiver must be modified as in 1.a.

2. The bolt, if present as a separate piece, must be permanently welded to the frame or receiver to prevent replacement.

c. Revolvers, Revolving Rifles and Shotguns, and Cap and Ball Revolver

1. The barrel and cylinder must be permanently blocked by a hardened steel pin of bore diameter which traverses the entire length of the barrel and cylinder. The pin must be permanently welded in place at the muzzle, barrel/cylinder gap and except for muzzle-loading firearms, at the breech end of the frame. The strength and hardness of the welds must be that of the metal used in the construction of the firearm.

d. Black Powder Rifles and Shotguns

1. The barrel must be blocked immediately forward of the flash hole using a blind pin in the manner described in paragraph 1.c.1.

2. The flash hole must be permanently welded closed. In the case of percussion guns, the nipple must be welded closed and then permanently welded to the barrel to prevent replacement.

e. Magazines

1. The magazine follower must be permanently welded to the interior of the magazine to prevent loading of ammunition.

2. The body of the magazine must be permanently welded to the frame or receiver to prevent removal or replacement.

2. Firearms of Unusual Design or Construction

a. Allowances may be made for variations of the procedures outlined in 1.a. to e. if the firearm is made of unusual substances or is of an unusual design. However, any variation in the procedure must accomplish the same goals as the original procedures. The firearm must be made to be permanently inoperable and incapable of chambering or firing ammunition.
 
Now seeing that I have seen a few that have the auto trigger in it despite having a welded bolt.... Nice eh. I dought they had the bolt face milled away either....
 
The deactivation rules have changed a number of times and because the dewats are no longer firearms at the time they are deactivated, no records are kept other than the record that a firearm of a given model and serial number has been deactivated. Thus, it is entirely possible to buy a dewat (effectively an elaborate paperweight) that may be #### & click. Just look for one that was deactivated before the current rules came to be.

I think they always had the barrel drilled and plugged and welded to the receiver.

The only dewat I ever owned had a hardened pin welded from one side of the receiver through to the other, going right through the chamber. The receiver was welded shut and the bolt face milled.

It was dewatted over 10 years ago.
 
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JOHNSON:
Are you doing this just to pull my chain or do you really think like this "As you may know, all places of business tend to bend the rules now and again".

I cannot, will not, speak for other businesses, but I can tell you that if one our people here at Marstar got caught bending the rules as you put it, not only would he be fired but I can assure you that he would be charged if a criminal act was involved....

We will ell a FA to any licensed individual or company that has a license to aquire and posess FA weapons, period.... Not sent consignment, NOT sent for deactivation, NOTHING but a simple sale PERIOD....

You cannot change a FA to an SA unless it is a granfathered weapon....

I do not understand your statement "I don't want to get stuck with a 1919 or a '34." If you have questionable firearms you will get "stuck" for more than the weapons in question.

John
 
COYOTE UGLY;
Thank you for your most eloquent replies....
Well said....
We should commend JOHNSON for his sense of adventure and assure him that once he earns a governent "vacation" the folks on CGN will send him a fruit basket now and then
John
 
I cannot, will not, speak for other businesses, but I can tell you that if one our people here at Marstar got caught bending the rules as you put it, not only would he be fired but I can assure you that he would be charged if a criminal act was involved....
exactly

as the folks at marstar know i am sure that trouble happens even when they are doing everything right.

so why even joke about it?. its thier livelihood
 
JOHNSON:
Are you doing this just to pull my chain or do you really think like this "As you may know, all places of business tend to bend the rules now and again".

I cannot, will not, speak for other businesses, but I can tell you that if one our people here at Marstar got caught bending the rules as you put it, not only would he be fired but I can assure you that he would be charged if a criminal act was involved....

We will sell a FA to any licensed individual or company that has a license to aquire and possess FA weapons, period.... Not sent consignment, NOT sent for deactivation, NOTHING but a simple sale PERIOD....

You cannot change a FA to an SA unless it is a grandfathered weapon....

I do not understand your statement "I don't want to get stuck with a 1919 or a '34." If you have questionable firearms you will get "stuck" for more than the weapons in question.

John

It's all starting to make sense now, except for one thing.

I realize that Marstar has to adopt stict guidelines when dealing with these types of wares to maintain integrity and a good standing with the Government.

Your not selling animal crackers here.

What if a legit buyer picked up lets say 100 M-53's and then went about deacting them? Can you compile a list of buyers?


I'd also like to know why no suppliers in Canada (such as Marstar) aren't emphasizing a much, much more capitalistic approach to bringing these wares into the country?

Are there import limits for importers such as Marstar?

Example.

Fly to Kragujevic or where ever and bring in 10,000 M-53's and some 8mm with chartered Antonovs. Unless you guys use water ports in Montenegro because its more logical.

Adopt microsoft style business techniques. Lower the price of parts to the point that they are equal to $875 for a complete parts kit minus receiver.

Besides, M-53's are better in the USA and Canada than in the Balkans. People in the Balkans prove time and again that they cannot handle such items responsibly.

Where can I read about Marstars internal import/export policies, I hope its public domain.

All of what I just wrote depends on Canadian import laws concerning Marstar.
 
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The deactivation rules have changed a number of times and because the dewats are no longer firearms at the time they are deactivated, no records are kept other than the record that a firearm of a given model and serial number has been deactivated. Thus, it is entirely possible to buy a dewat (effectively an elaborate paperweight) that may be #### & click. Just look for one that was deactivated before the current rules came to be.

I have copies around here somewhere of the deactivation guidelines from the old Firearms manual dating to somewhere in the late 80s. There has been virtually no change in all that time to the guidelines. There has been some change to the level of application of the guidelines, but thats about it. They still have no effect of law, however if a gunsmith is signing off on the deactivation, he would not want to be making a false declaration.

As an example, the #### and click thing. If you read the guidelines, it only says that "firearms capable of supporting full auto fire must have their trigger mechanisms cut or ground and welded in place to prevent replacement". If you are deactivating a converted auto, or a prohoib semi auto (say an FN for example) you can still have the gun #### and click in semi auto function.


It is unfortunate that Marstar cannot sell their non-grandfathered guns for the purpose of deactivation. They have some nice pieces at decent prices, and it is getting harder and harder to find firearms that can be deactivated with a clear conscience. I, personally, have deactivated a few grandfathered F/As, but have felt guilty about it.
 
Just stop.

Marstar doesn't have "strict guidelines", rather, Marstar obeys the LAW. You know, the Criminal code, Firearms act... If you think those are "guidelines", you need to give your head a shake.
 
Just stop.

Marstar doesn't have "strict guidelines", rather, Marstar obeys the LAW. You know, the Criminal code, Firearms act... If you think those are "guidelines", you need to give your head a shake.

x2 I think someone need to read the forums rules
 
Just stop.

Marstar doesn't have "strict guidelines", rather, Marstar obeys the LAW. You know, the Criminal code, Firearms act... If you think those are "guidelines", you need to give your head a shake.

I thought this was North 'Merica!



I'm all for following the laws and I do, and my friends do.
I'm also all for turning loopholes into gaping dykes.

Legalities are not the issue here and never were. I'm thinking up better ways of taking full advantage of the system while staying within the confines of the LAW.



The government wants to screw with our liberties, we can screw with them while not even doing anything wrong.

Reading forum guidelines now.
 
the last guy on here who was spouting off this kind of nonsense is on a government sponsered vacation in Kingston.

If YOU want to register a business, and YOU want to go to Yugo and YOU want to make the contacts and YOU want to buy the guns and YOU want to have them dewatted and YOU want to then jump through the hoops to have them imported, inspected, verified etc, then YOU can go ahead and do so.

Make sure it's YOUR money and YOUR ass on the line, and not anyone else's.

I thought this was North 'Merica!



I'm all for following the laws and I do, and my friends do.
I'm also all for turning loopholes into gaping dykes.

Legalities are not the issue here and never were. I'm thinking up better ways of taking full advantage of the system while staying within the confines of the LAW.



The government wants to screw with our liberties, we can screw with them while not even doing anything wrong.

Reading forum guidelines now.
 
the last guy on here who was spouting off this kind of nonsense is on a government sponsered vacation in Kingston.
If YOU want to register a business, and YOU want to go to Yugo and YOU want to make the contacts and YOU want to buy the guns and YOU want to have them dewatted and YOU want to then jump through the hoops to have them imported, inspected, verified etc, then YOU can go ahead and do so.
Make sure it's YOUR money and YOUR ass on the line, and not anyone else's.


Well cause he can shoot for free and get paid for it in Kingston.

Why pay for the sow when I can get a cow for free

I hope Johnone can help me with my questions.
 
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ibtl... and how many MG42's do you think you can sell in Canada, anyway... even at <$900

Oh lots, just gotta go generic. Its been done by China North Industries already with their .45s and M-14's.

Those guys must be sitting on piles of cash in Hong Kong.

The Americans really would like that chinese stuff, just how Canadians want German relics.

The 9mm German machine pistols (bd38s I believe) cost an arm and two legs...why?
 
Well cause he can shoot for free and get paid for it in Kingston.

Why pay for the sow when I can get a cow for free

I hope Johnone can help me with my questions.

He doesn't mean he is stationed at CFB Kingston, he means he is a resident of one of the many penitentiaries in the area. :rolleyes:
 
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