CDP Atts

Sorry I am a bit late to respond. I was traveling yesterday and just downloaded my email.

For the record, it is not the policy of CSSA to check any paperwork of match competitors other than their current CSSA membership card and, if necessary, holster qualification. It is assumed that if they are a CSSA member, they are fully aware of the laws and it is their responsibility to comply.

In relation to the current discussion on the CDP match, I have spoken to David Burke on the issue. Dave's only purpose was to protect the association and to ensure all legalities were followed due to the great scrutiny the sport is undergoing at this time with the current toxic political atmosphere. Dave has agreed to rescind the ATT inspection requirement in place of a current CSSA membership card and proof of holster certification (Black Badge, CDP, PPC).

I trust this will defuse the current debate and we can concentrate on moving forward and defending our sport and rights against those that would like us to disappear entirely.

Please let me know if anyone has any questions.

Thank you.

Larry Whitmore
Executive Director - l.whitmore@cdnshootingsports.org
 
Checking CSSA and Holster training make perfect and totals sense.

To shoot at an IPSC match you need to show proof of IPSC membership and that requires that you have taken a BB course. This is exactly the same theory.

Thanks for clearing this up Larry.
 
CDP ATTs

Now that the ATT situation has been cleared up it makes sense ( I think) to move the discussion away from the thread for the actual event.


Hence I have moved all discussion not about the match itself to this thread.
 
Yes it has...........

Read Larrys post (4 up)

You need to have a CSSA membership and proof of holster qualification.

I turst that the match copy (poster) will be changed to reflect this fact.
 
First of all, I am a CSSA member.

Now, hang on a sec. So the ATT was replaced with having a CSSA membership?

How's that any different.

Why can't we be accepted as lawful shooters and leave it at that. What's the purpose of a CSSA membership in this case but to cloud the ATT issue.

It's now sounding like this was a CSSA idea after all.

For the record, it is not the policy of CSSA to check any paperwork of match competitors other than their current CSSA membership card and, if necessary, holster qualification. It is assumed that if they are a CSSA member, they are fully aware of the laws and it is their responsibility to comply.
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It is also assumed that as a licenced firearms owner I am fully aware of the laws and it is MY responsibilty to comply. Nobody elses.

Holster qualification is another matter. I don't have a problem with that.

If you want a waiver signed releasing you from certain responsibilities while at the club, that's OK too.
 
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First of all, I am a CSSA member.

Now, hang on a sec. So the ATT was replaced with having a CSSA membership?

How's that any different.

Why can't we be accepted as lawful shooters and leave it at that. What's the purpose of a CSSA membership in this case but to cloud the ATT issue.

It's now sounding like this was a CSSA idea in the first place after all.
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First off it is a CDP sanctioned event. Same as IPSC, you need to be a member of IPSC to compete in sanctioned matches. Same as IDPA, no difference except CSSA instead of IPSC.
(I actually had this explained to me in the last 12 hours)....

If you think that the ATT snafu was CSSA endorsed you were wrong.
 
Jarlath said:
First off it is a CDP sanctioned event. Same as IPSC, you need to be a member of IPSC to compete in sanctioned matches. Same as IDPA, no difference except CSSA instead of IPSC.
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OK, so CDP, IPSC, PPC qualifications and memberships are accepted. I anticipate American IDPA memberships and qualifications are also accepted.

If it's a CDP sanctioned match, by your IPSC analogy, everyone should have a CDP membership and qualifiaction card. Yes? :D Will they?

So what does a CSSA membership requirement do exactly in this case? :)
 
easy said:
OK, so CDP, IPSC, PPC qualifications and memberships are accepted. I anticipate American IDPA memberships and qualifications are also accepted.
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IDPA does not have a holster qualification so it is best to clear that up with Dave Burke, but for sake of all things good, everyone, please do not turn this into another CDP/IDPA pissing contest.

easy said:
If it's a CDP sanctioned match, by your IPSC analogy, everyone should have a CDP membership and qualifiaction card. Yes? :D Will they?

So what does a CSSA membership requirement do exactly in this case? :)
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No, read it again, if you are IPSC, PPC or have your CDP Shield certification you are good to go, the only must is a CSSA membership as this is a CSSA sanctioned event, CDP is overseen by the CSSA.
 
Steve David said:
IDPA does not have a holster qualification so it is best to clear that up with Dave Burke, but for sake of all things good, everyone, please do not turn this into another CDP/IDPA pissing contest.



No, read it again, if you are IPSC, PPC or have your CDP Shield certification you are good to go, the only must is a CSSA membership as this is a CSSA sanctioned event, CDP is overseen by the CSSA.
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I don't think this is going to turn into a DPA pissing contest but perhaps it would better serve all of the CSSA members (and cause me to renew my membership ) if CSSA were to keep a arm's length association with CDP as it does with all other shooting groups in Canada. In my view the fact that CSSA is involved at all gives the "appearance" that other groups are not as important.

I am all for CDP growing in Canada but I feel that it is up to the CDP shooters to grow their disipline the same way IPSC, CASS , IDPA ,etc. have had to do.
If CSSA wants to support ALL of us in the same manner then fine ,but until they are willing to do just that then perhaps they should step back from the relationship with CDP and see what happens.
 
easy said:
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So what does a CSSA membership requirement do exactly in this case? :)
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See now you are being petty..........which should be avoided.

Asking for CSSA membership is totally valid.

As suggested it is in reality a CSSA sanctioned event. Thus it is totally logical that all participants be members in good standing of CSSA. That rule also applys to events such as PPC matches and Bullseye IIRC.


I do not know of any organized sporting activity in which you can participate and not be a member of the group that is organizing the event (to some degree).
 
667 said:
Now there's another BS issue... who remembers when how that came about...:rolleyes::nest:
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And exactly why is it this is a BS issue?

I can tell you exactly how it came about.

This is a CSSA sanctioned event and to shoot a sanctioned CDP match you have to have the CDP Shield course, just like if you want to shoot either a sanctioned PPC or IPSC match, you have to be qualified and affiliated and in good standing with both those organizations.
 
LKW said:
Sorry I am a bit late to respond. I was traveling yesterday and just downloaded my email.

For the record, it is not the policy of CSSA to check any paperwork of match competitors other than their current CSSA membership card and, if necessary, holster qualification. It is assumed that if they are a CSSA member, they are fully aware of the laws and it is their responsibility to comply.

In relation to the current discussion on the CDP match, I have spoken to David Burke on the issue. Dave's only purpose was to protect the association and to ensure all legalities were followed due to the great scrutiny the sport is undergoing at this time with the current toxic political atmosphere. Dave has agreed to rescind the ATT inspection requirement in place of a current CSSA membership card and proof of holster certification (Black Badge, CDP, PPC).

I trust this will defuse the current debate and we can concentrate on moving forward and defending our sport and rights against those that would like us to disappear entirely.

Please let me know if anyone has any questions.

Thank you.

Larry Whitmore
Executive Director - l.whitmore@cdnshootingsports.org
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id love to be able to show you my CSSA membership. I have paid ever year through the club i shoot at but for some strange reason i never get my card from CSSA :confused:
 
Steve David said:
And exactly why is it this is a BS issue?

I can tell you exactly how it came about.

This is a CSSA sanctioned event and to shoot a sanctioned CDP match you have to have the CDP Shield course, just like if you want to shoot either a sanctioned PPC or IPSC match, you have to be qualified and affiliated and in good standing with both those organizations.
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Yes, but I'm referring to a time when there was no such thing as "holster qualification" credentials and we all did just fine....

Really.... If you can't learn to use a holster safely in two minutes you're pretty dumb.
 
667 said:
Yes, but I'm referring to a time when there was no such thing as "holster qualification" credentials and we all did just fine....

Really.... If you can't learn to use a holster safely in two minutes you're pretty dumb.
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This could really open a whole other can of worms, let me just give you one example, most police officers.

Do you not have to take a course for IPSC and PPC, yes. There is much more to it then this, but lets leave it at that because we will never agree.

Why can't we just put this to bed and those of you that are going enjoy it, those who still want to protest it, don't go..........!
 
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