HK MR223s on order for Canada

Scarecrow said:
You assume there was a decision between it and a piston rifle, there wasn't one. There weren't even trials for the m16, why you think it ended up being such a blunder its first years in vietnam?
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Yeah. It was probably like : "ok you have to make a rifle with a production cost of of $150 that can meet these minimum requirements. Go for it."

"Hmmm well, a piston is a good idea, but for that cost it's got to go..."




Anyhow on your other point, I don't think their has ever been trials were the M-16 family involved actually won. Or even pulled out of last place.
 
capp325 said:
I have no doubt that Swiss Arms rifles are manufactured to a much higher standard than AK-47 and are therefore more expensive to produce. But that's not the point. My comment was about the cost of the mateiral itself (sheet metal).

SA is expensive to manufacture for all the reasons that you've stated but not because it's made of steel instead of aluminum alloy. I really don't think that a Black/Green Special rifle would be any less expensive to produce if it was machined from a solid block of aluminum instead of being welded together from sheet metal. In fact, it would probably cost more.
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Yes, your probably right. The actual cost of materials is probably as much as an AK. It's what you do with the materials that counts. A norc 1911's materials probably cost as much as the materials on a wilson combat 1911. Doesn't mean they're the same quality.

The folded steel was probably a design choice over a cost choice. When have the swiss ever been concerned about cost?

Besides, since when is anybody concerned about cost in this hobby? You blow all your spare money you have on guns anyways, so it's not like it makes a big difference either way :D
 
nickorette said:
Yeah. It was probably like : "ok you have to make a rifle with a production cost of of $150 that can meet these minimum requirements. Go for it."

"Hmmm well, a piston is a good idea, but for that cost it's got to go..."
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Go read the M16 history. Was nothing of the sort.

Anyhow on your other point, I don't think their has ever been trials were the M-16 family involved actually won. Or even pulled out of last place.
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There are trials where it passed the minimum requirements and met the lowest bidder status, there are said to have been times it has ranked highly. But overall its not the end all of its type of firearm.

Guys need to stop with the cheaper Swiss arms rifles and the navy seal garands, it really shows a lack of knowledge.
 
Scarecrow said:
Guys need to stop with the cheaper Swiss arms rifles and the navy seal garands, it really shows a lack of knowledge.
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Dude, the navy seal garand comment was meant to be sarcastic. I guess some people need to see ten roll-eye emoticons at the end of a sentence before they're able to detect sarcasm.
 
aninchlow said:
capp325, I've got over 2500 rounds through my xcr now without a single stoppage or failure. quite #####ing about the xcr. I followed the EXPLICIT break in instructions and shoot everything from cheap AE to my more expensive handloads. Accuracy is 1 moa with the crumby trigger.

Post a picture of your XCR and the damage you have suffered. I for one have not seen the problems. Also if you take a look at ROBARMS website and their pictures of their facilities it isn't a garage.

Judging a gun on the FEW results that others have had is just lame. When you read the threads that deal with those particular problems it usualy boils down the operator not knowing the gun or following the instructions.

cheers.
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Completely agree. I had a couple of issues during the 300 round break in period, but since then it has been smooth and stoppage free. If I bench it up, it is very accurate, but what is the fun in that.
 
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Akkkh my friend the Assyrian, the name is Hamid Osman.. I'll take care of you.. send me $995 and I'll send you the rifle of the profit, er.. I mean the prophet .. the Mehemetcik-1
 
Anyone got an idea of price on this yet? I've heard 5k in Canada.

2500$ and i'd buy it in a minute.
 
nevek said:
Anyone got an idea of price on this yet? I've heard 5k in Canada.

2500$ and i'd buy it in a minute.
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MSRP of 4200 dollars :runaway:


Probably gonna be restricted, but the lack of compatability with AR15 lowers, or any other parts for that matter, may change that. Although i kinda doubt it...


For that money, you can get a Sig Black Special, a quad rail, and several magazines, or a good optic and multiple magazines...
 
kako911 said:
BUT, I am not talking about a swiss arms wannabe sniper, i am talking about a REAL SIG 550-1 sniper with the 1 in 7 the sweet trigger and the Gruyere cheeze assembly ! That is NOT the same thing. I have fired a JP and a 550-1 sniper... and i would still put my horse on the 550...
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The original sniper has a 1/10 twist too. They may have made a few with 1/7 twists but it's not going to have much bearing on accuracy unless you were shooting at 600 yards or more with long bullets. And you've obviously never examined one of the Swiss Arms Sniper rifles that TSE imported. It will not outshoot one of the CMP rifles made in the US by one of the top makers there.

The reality is that a top-end AR-15 is going to be better for target shooting than an MR223 or PE90, because direct gas impingement may not be good for reliability but it's good for accuracy because you have don't have the gas piston whacking backwards and forwards.

Lenght has nothing to do with it...77 gr fits in the chamber no problems but is too heavy. ...69 gr in the PE 90 is very accurate and stupid accurate in the 550-1.
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Length has absolutely everything to do with it and weight is pretty much irrelevant except in terms of balance and when it's windy. The reason the 1/7 twist came about was because of the length of the SS110 tracer bullet.

The PE90 and the SG550 have identical barrels, btw. And that includes the Sniper model.
 
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With the dollar plummeting, and gunstores estimating 20% increase in prices, how much do you think the MR223 will end up?
 
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