130gr TTSX

[bronco_mudder]

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The 30 cal 130grain should be compared to the 100grain .277....They have the same sectional density and all else being equal they will penetrate the same.

Still like the choice?

Sure. I wouldn't think twice about taking a moose with a 100 grain .277 diameter TTSX bullet. They don't make one, but I'd use the 110 grain. Its about bullet construction and volocity when using a bullet of the X/TSX/TTSX design. I use the 100 grain TSX's out of my 25/06 AI and would use that on moose as well. I know the 100 grain .257 bullet will have a higher SD, than a 100 grain .277 but the weight of the bullet would still make a lot of guys turn their nose's up at it. Would I use a conventional cup and core bullet of the same specs on bigger boned, thicker hide game, no probably not....unless the perfect angle, and situation was presented. Any bullet of the above mentioned to the CNS is a downed animal.

 

[Jayph]

Sure. I wouldn't think twice about taking a moose with a 100 grain .277 diameter TTSX bullet. They don't make one, but I'd use the 110 grain. Its about bullet construction and volocity when using a bullet of the X/TSX/TTSX design. I use the 100 grain TSX's out of my 25/06 AI and would use that on moose as well. I know the 100 grain .257 bullet will have a higher SD, than a 100 grain .277 but the weight of the bullet would still make a lot of guys turn their nose's up at it. Would I use a conventional cup and core bullet of the same specs on bigger boned, thicker hide game, no probably not....unless the perfect angle, and situation was presented. Any bullet of the above mentioned to the CNS is a downed animal.

But they do make a 110gr TTSX in .277 I emailed Barnes before I ordered the 110gr or the 130 for my .270 and they said if moose was in the equation they would go with the 130gr. just passing info along.

 

[X-fan]

Bronco and others,

While I understand the little TSX's will most likely work my question is why?

Do you really think the extra velocity is going to make that long shot for you?

 

[bronco_mudder]

Bronco and others,

While I understand the little TSX's will most likely work my question is why?

Do you really think the extra velocity is going to make that long shot for you?

Why?

If the bullet and cartridge combination are fully capable of doing it, why not?

As to your second question.....no not at all. I'm a gun nut, and have many many toys to play with. I never considered using the 270 wsm for moose when I ordered it, because of the other rifles in my collection. But I know the combination of a TSX/TTSX in any of the weights produced would be deadly. You have to know your gun to make the shots, regardless if it's volocity is 2000 fps, or 3500 fps.

 

[Gatehouse]

At 450 yards, a 130gr TTSX @ 3500 is 19 of drop

A 180gr TSX @ 2950 is 26" of drop

Only about 150 ft/lbs of difference in energy (if you care about that)

not that meaningful, if you use a RF and adjust your scope for drop, as I would do, butthere it is...

 

[Gatehouse]

These 130gr TTSX keep impressing me...

200 yards, the 130 gr TTSX made a nice cloverleaf.

The 130gr TSX did pretty good, too. I shot 2 bullets in one hole, then blew the 3rd shot. I actually said "####" as the trigger broke. Went to the bench, loaded one more round, and it went back into the group.

Next I zeroed the rifle using this drop chart as a guide, and came pretty close, although my velocity is a bit higher.

130 @ 3500 f/s
+/- 3" ~ 333 yards, 285y zero

100- +2.3
200- +2.7
300 -1"
350 -4.5" 1.25moa
400 -9" 2.25moa
450 -15" 3.5moa
500 -23" 4.5 moa

I've got 22 bullets left, not counting the dummy round I made. Enough to go hunting until some more show up.

 

[Republic of Alberta]

Not exactly what this thread is about but here is a 7MM 120g TSX with a 175g Partition. The 120g TSX will out penetrate the 175g partition both at max velocity's from a 7mag, but does so on account of a smaller wound channel (material removed)



Something to remember for those tying to extrapolate this pic and compare to the 308" bullets, the 7mm 175g Noslers have the partition more rearward than the 308" partitions.

 

[X-fan]

Gatehouse,

I wonder how these little bullets group at long range (350-400 yards) as compared to 180's or even 200's?

When I get my 338 Edge back from the 'smith I'll compare 160, 225, and 250 grains TSX at 350 yards (my longest shot within a few minutes drive).

I could also make a similar comparison with a 375 Ultra.

What do you think?

 

[GSoD]

Kinda part of the topic. I tried walking 180grain ### through my Rem700P and they just won't group.

I'll be trying out 165's this week.

 

[Gatehouse]

Gatehouse,

I wonder how these little bullets group at long range (350-400 yards) as compared to 180's or even 200's?

When I get my 338 Edge back from the 'smith I'll compare 160, 225, and 250 grains TSX at 350 yards (my longest shot within a few minutes drive).

I could also make a similar comparison with a 375 Ultra.

What do you think?

Longest I've shot the 130gr TTSX at was our gong, at 340 yards. Didin't check for groups, but I banged it well, and that is a kill on a deer....

Shot 140gr TSX from my 7RM at close to 500 yards and it had no problems wastign milk jugs.

I don't really care abotu groups out far, just that it will hit the target, that is the size of a deer vitals...

 

[Gatehouse]

Here is my gong at 420yds, using 125gr Ballistic Tips

Blurry pic, but you can see the 2 hits on the left side of gong, at 500 yards. Wind picked up and I didn't notice, thought it was blowing straight away...anyway, I hit 2x and missed once, but the 2 that hit couldn't be more than a couple inches apart. So, I guess the light bullets group okay at longer ranges.

 

[Gatehouse]

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[Curt]

Your velocities would be real world performance unlike the tales they print on the boxes.

 

[Gatehouse]

Your velocities would be real world performance unlike the tales they print on the boxes.

They list the 130gr TTSX form 300WSM @ 3500fps, same as me.

 

[Curt]

Hmmm. Usually the factory numbers are a little opimistic. Your .300WSM is 24" or 22" barrel? I wonder what the factory uses for a test barrel or rifle?
Anyway you slice it, 3500 FPS is pretty kickass

 

[Gatehouse]

Most of the Whizzums and "standard" mags get shot out of 24" barrels, the Weatherbys and RUM's are often in 26" barrels.

 

[todbartell]

SAUM are 24" often too

 

[BigUglyMan]

My 300 WM with a 29" tube was squirting out 200 gr NPTs at 3100 and some 180 NPT Protected Points at 3450. I think there was something hinky with that last load but further testing will determine if it was an over charge or not. Minimum chamber plus the extra barrel shouldn't give that much difference.

I want to try some 180 Accubonds, but wasn't thinking that far ahead when I was in Calgary!

 

[Budweiser2]

Gatehouse did you shoot a bear with the 130gr BarnesTSX ? I can't see any posts on it. Would like to know how it performed? I have some 130 gr Barnes and am ready to start loading.

 

[Gatehouse]

Shot a bear and a few deer with the 130gr TTSX. Kills like hell!

Didn't try it on a moose or elk, but I imagine it would work.