longer courses of fire in IPSC
- Thread starter Slavex
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Don't feel bad.. I'm in that catagory too.. it's just not as bad cause I'm over 6'
but just think of all that extra room you have to be putting mag holders.. you can fit at least an extra dozen all around
6'
are the stacking it that highThe RO may not have to go down range to score , but the targets need to be restoredEven the scoring is a breeze.. the RO does not even have to leave the shooting line to score it
Don't get me wrong I love shooting steel
I'm against the idea. Most of the stages I see are already cranked up to a round count higher than the shooting bay can handle. I see way too many arrays for 4 targets stuck close together just so that MD's can bump up the round count. Too many people confuse "quantity" with "quality".
Then you need to think of the stats. If you have a stage that is 50 rounds in a 200 round match, one stage counts for 25% of the match. There's no point in having any short courses, because the winner of the 50 round stage is going to win the match.
Then you need to think of the stats. If you have a stage that is 50 rounds in a 200 round match, one stage counts for 25% of the match. There's no point in having any short courses, because the winner of the 50 round stage is going to win the match.
I agree some stages at some matches can be like that. But they still seem to get OKed by the approval committee. Maybe there lies part of the problem?
True too but that doesn't mean you can't have quality with lots of quantity! Adding/changing the rules to allow 50 round stages hardly means that you have to have 50 round stages. Just give the option and if there is enough room on a shooting bay go for it.
I disagree here as it is the same thing that can happen right now with a 32 round stage in a 120 or so round match. It's another topic but do you think stages should be weighted more evenly instead of simply on round count?
But again to me it is all about the fun factor! Just because I boom a 32 or 50 round stage hardly means I didn't have fun at the match or even that stage.
Fudd
So long as the stage might allow you to stage your magazines or speedloaders/moon clips, that would pretty much solve the issue of the "I can't hold that much ammo on my belt" problem. At the IRC I think about 4 or 5 years ago we had a 51 round course of fire where we were allowed to place moons/sl's downrange. As I recall by the last array of targets my splits were in the .6 range as I was plain worn out pulling a DA revolver
There is a match called the Crazy Croc in Dundee, Oregon every year that boasts 8 stages - 400+ rounds where every stage is a 40-60 round hose fest. It usually includes a "jungle run" stage too. I've been thinking of shooting it this year with my 627 in production
There is a match called the Crazy Croc in Dundee, Oregon every year that boasts 8 stages - 400+ rounds where every stage is a 40-60 round hose fest. It usually includes a "jungle run" stage too. I've been thinking of shooting it this year with my 627 in production
The courses in the Sault were great, 44 rounds and well laid out, but I have seen too many where it's just banks of 4 targets strung together...when it takes less than 10 seconds to shoot a 30+ round stage, you have a problem!
But I'm all for some big stages, as long as we still see some screaming fast 1, 2, 4, and six round stages for some variety.
But I'm all for some big stages, as long as we still see some screaming fast 1, 2, 4, and six round stages for some variety.
- Location
- North Vancouver
It would be cool if the ranges had the room to put up a 50+ COF just for fun. It would be a volunteer course that didn't count for score. Then, depending on the turnout and opinions on it, they would have a better idea on what people want. And how difficult it is to run, score, and make ready for the next competitor.
1.2.1.4 The recommended balance for an IPSC match is a ratio of 3 Short Courses to 2 Medium Courses
to 1 Long Course. Where possible, it is further recommended that no single COF in a match
represents more than 15% of the total match points available.
also:
1.1.5.1 Level I and Level II matches are not required to comply strictly with the freestyle requirements or
round count limitations (see Section 1.2).
Steve David
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Oshawa, Ontario
Although it is not IPSC, when I set up a course of fire for CDP at our club, I use as many props as possible and we do a blind shoot, no one knows what is behind the next barricade. We use shower curtains for walls, this allows us to create quite a fun course of fire with every target being a surprise. Throw in the odd hostage target that has gone Stockholm with a gun, staple it horizontal to the regular target with the zero circles line up and make shoot throughs count, it is really fun. Limit shots to 2 per target, we set up 11 targets and with an initial top up and the shoot through, not a problem and a good 2-3 minute course of fire.
Steve David
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Oshawa, Ontario
No not until everyone has shot, but keep in mind you cannot see anything until you go through the door and find them. We make sure to tell people not to say what the course of fire is. No walk throughs. Every shoot we talk about the safety and range rules, then lay out the senario. It is a lot of fun this way, it is in formal and non sanctioned, but it really is fun.
We've done these in the past in IPSC too, the last one I shot was at Wentworth, but no matter how many times people are told not to talk, someone always spills the beans.
I have also shot stages where three or four arrays are moved between different rooms so that the same number and types of engagements are rquired, but it differes for everyone.
I have also shot stages where three or four arrays are moved between different rooms so that the same number and types of engagements are rquired, but it differes for everyone.
Steve David
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Oshawa, Ontario
The first time we did this type of senario, our resident "sucky baby", came out of the shoot loving it and the first thing he did was go right to the next few shooters on deck and start telling them all about what was in there and what to expect not thinking that he just created a huge disadvantage for himself. He did this for all of the shooters, this being that it is for fun, I played with it and he kind of looked like "the dear caught up in the headlights of the Kenworth of life" when I walked up to him at the end of that shoot and asked him exactly what it was he was doing? When he tried to explain to me he was just excited, I told him his excitement just got him a 20 second penalty and that was really to bad as he won the shoot and being the first shooter to boot, "you helped all the other shooters try to win, well guess what they did". All in good, fun and that was the one and only time he did it. Silly why a shooter would possibly put their own score at risk.
You can also get a pretty good idea of what target engagement is like by listening to someone go through the course of fire.
We setup a "surprise" stage once. We used those mesh/see through walls. However, I also put out a couple of pepper poppers into the stage that couldn't be engaged from any position. (so they weren't part of the stage). My idea was to put 0, 1 or both of them up for shooters going through and make them wonder where they were supposed to be shot from.
We setup a "surprise" stage once. We used those mesh/see through walls. However, I also put out a couple of pepper poppers into the stage that couldn't be engaged from any position. (so they weren't part of the stage). My idea was to put 0, 1 or both of them up for shooters going through and make them wonder where they were supposed to be shot from.
