Norinco P226 and P228 Chinese knock offs, quality/experience with Norinco anyone?

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I'm seriously considering buying the P228 Norinco knock off from an online vendor here in canada, does any here own a norinco handgun? I realize that the attention to detail and craftmanship will not be great, but I just can't pass on the price, because I just can't spend 1100 bucks on a real SIG when I could get 3-4 guns for that same amount of cash.

Anyone comments from an actual Norinco owner? I'm not looking for hear-say or friend of a friend type of thing.
 
Just so you know about the other available options, you can get a Certified Pre-Owned (CPO) P226 for about $650-750.
 
Funny hoe a pre owned SIG still costs twice as much as a new Norinco, I've never heard of the frame issue. but, in regards to slide construction, I know Norinco uses Steel in their slides, does Sig use aluminum or am I mistaken?

The vendor does have a 1 year warranty on the gun, so I can't picture the thing falling apart in my hands on the first day at the range!! LOL, but you never know.
 
I have 3 Sigs P226 9mm, P226 40S&W,P220 45acp . All steel slides . I am not knocking Norinco I have several of there rifles . But you do get what you pay for . The Norinco cracked frames I herd about were around 1000 to 1500 rnds fired . I have fired more in my Sig's with no problems
 
I use my norc NP34 (Sig 228 copy)for IDPA and practice shooting...other than factory magazine issues, no problems with mine. I found a fix for the mag problem too (mec-gar mags work great in them!) Haven't heard any complaints from other owners lately. Mine isn't picky what it eats, easy to strip and clean. For the money, they seem good and functional to me. Got mine awhile back for about $300; $500 less than a Sig= $500 worth of ammo.

Finish isn't that bad on the newer ones, and they still make a 9mm bullet go away from you (where it lands is all up to you;))

Of course, these are my personal observations, and may not match third hand stories from other folks who haven't even held one of these yet :)

PS:

About 4500+ rounds through mine so far, and no sign of cracks etc that you hear about.
 
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One guy here had a cracked frame on his Np22 and no one has reported a cracked frame on the Np34. A real SIGP226 is not immune to frame cracking, a gentleman here on the site had his crack, same spot as where the Norinco cracked...
 
I'm willing to roll the dice on this one - I just ordered an NP34 from Marstar.

I'll let you know what I think after I try it out.

I may be giving money to the Communists but they are giving me a gun to use against them if they ever invaded.
 
Funny hoe a pre owned SIG still costs twice as much as a new Norinco, I've never heard of the frame issue. but, in regards to slide construction, I know Norinco uses Steel in their slides, does Sig use aluminum or am I mistaken?

You're mistaken. Original Sig P-226 slides were folded and welded sheet metal with the breech block pinned in place. Now they are machined from stainless steel bar stock. Norinco NP-22 slides are forged steel with the breech blocks pinned in place.

I had an NP-22 and put about 800 rounds through it with no problems. I sold it to a board member to shoot IPSC with. His Sig P-226 frame rail cracked off, so we put the internals and slide from the Sig onto the Norinco and it shoots fine.

Now I have a brand new Sig P-226. When I compared my Nork to my friend's Sig, it really paled in comparison, so I saved-up bought a genuine Sig. It really is a better built gun with all the new design changes and the integral rail and night sights. Basically, I now have all I want in a pistol and not a knock-off that needs work. That, and IF all handguns were ever prohibited and grandfathered in Kanaduh, I'd have a Sig and not a cheap copy.

In the end, figure-out what you REALLY want and buy THAT. Try to not let the price be the deciding factor. That's what I learned from my NP-22.
 
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We have cracked both frames and slides on real SIG P226s, however it always occurs well after 50,000rds. I ran 2 NP34s on the range and they lasted only weeks, and at best saw 5,000rds. They are cheaper, and for light use they are fine, but don't fool yourself into thinking you are getting the same quality at a lower price.
 
This debate has been hashed and rehashed ad nauseum on the forums here, and you can always find people who will tell you the Norcs are junk and morally wrong to buy, but it is pure and simple gun snobbery. For the average shooter that doesn't do IPSC or anything like that the Norc is absolutely the way to go.
Feel free to buy the real thing because they are nicer feeling and looking, but for pure bang for the buck go for the cheap stuff, then decide if you want to be forking out big bucks for the fancier stuff.
 
I'm seriously considering buying the P228 Norinco knock off from an online vendor here in canada, does any here own a norinco handgun? I realize that the attention to detail and craftmanship will not be great, but I just can't pass on the price, because I just can't spend 1100 bucks on a real SIG when I could get 3-4 guns for that same amount of cash.

Anyone comments from an actual Norinco owner? I'm not looking for hear-say or friend of a friend type of thing.

I have had good and bad results....Norinco quality is notoriously variable. It's not fair to call it "cheap ####", just "cheap".

If you get one of the good ones, you get a great deal. If you get the one that "should" have been caught in post-manufacturing inspections because it is defective - then it's not such a great deal. Pay your money, take your chances.
 
We have cracked both frames and slides on real SIG P226s, however it always occurs well after 50,000rds. I ran 2 NP34s on the range and they lasted only weeks, and at best saw 5,000rds. They are cheaper, and for light use they are fine, but don't fool yourself into thinking you are getting the same quality at a lower price.

I'd offer the view that "perspective is everything." 50,000 rounds is approximately $20,000 worth of shooting, not including gas, memberships, etc. Just HOW much usage is that?

Consider the basic math surrounding that premise; even at 2000 rounds a month, it would take you more than 2 years of a punishing shooting regimen consisting of $1000.00/month ammunition budgets. This is the amount of shooting that would need to occur before you needed to consider material replacement on a quality Sig pistol.

If you shot religiously EVERY Saturday Sunday and Wednesday of a 4 week month, that is 160 rounds EVERY SINGLE session without fail. That's more than 16 full magazines per session.

If you didn't simply try to empty every single mag into targets, but instead focused on drawing, firing two rounds on target, checking your surroundings, re-holstering and then repeating the full cycle, you would be completing 25,000 firing cycles. If each event is a 4 second event, you would have consumed 100,000 seconds of active training. That is more than 1666 minutes of time spent ACTIVELY engaging targets. #### me. That's professional level engagement. If you are keeping up with your carbine on top of that, you should be able to land some lucrative work where you get paid commensurately for your efforts.

If you're planning on that level of shooting you either really need to watch your costs or more likely could not give a rats ass about managing them because you are privately or government funded.



For 99/100 shooters the Sig will be more gun than you ever need. And despite that one high-speed low-drag mo-fo at the far end of the spectrum, the common plinker's probable usage forecast might budget 5,000 rounds for the next 10 years (500 rnds /year, or one big shipment from Wolverine, etc.) making it the smart choice. If that's all you intend to shoot, then your logic is rock solid. After all, you can always upgrade if you decide shooting is really going to be your bag.


But no credible (or even sober) source is going to tell you those products are equivalent in quality.

If you buy it, remember to factor in material replacement costs and multiply them by your usage interval. Based on the volumes above, the Norinco copy is not cost effective if you must replace it every 2.5 months (5000 rounds - Redleg's reported figure). That's $1396.00 in replacement guns a year to sustain the same shooting volume of the "expensive" $1100.00 Sig. And it doesn't sound remotely economical anymore; not even for my grade 6 math skills.

And FWIW, Shooting Edge in Calgary would have seen those volumes empirically over a number of guns to be able to make a credible comment.
 
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Thanks for all the replies and opinions, I guess another option I am considering, is buying one of the norinco 1911A1's when they get more in stock,which allows me to shoot right out of the box and more importantly, replace parts when I can financially, until over a few years I end up with a nice custom 1911.

I probably should have mentioned my range frequency and rounds fired in relation to the other comments about how long a Norinco P226 would last me. I currently have a M&P 40 which I shoot once a month and put maybe 50 rounds through, the rest of my shooting time is with Varminter rifles and the open prairies.
 
i have a norinco 228 copy and i absolutely love it. i have shot both the real thing and obviously my copy and i will put my copy up against any sig any time of any day!!! i have put 1500 rounds through my copy in less then two weeks and the accuracy and reliability for the price can't be beat!!! anyone who says otherwise either has never owned one or is just being a d**k!!! get one!!! or 5!!! lmao
 
Norinco

Owned two Norchinco 1911's. One a 9m/m, the other a .45 Compact model. Both functioned well after thorough cleaning and were quite accurate. The negative is the crappy mags that fell apart and those nasty sharp edges. Some seem better finished than others. I've been Norinco-free for a few years now and plan to stay that way. Personally I'd look at one of the Auto-Ordnance 1911's for a couple bucks more. I was impressed.
Geoff
 
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