New to IPSC, need help!!!
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chrisward3
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definitely go with the glock...very reliable, accurate (for practical shooting), and great bang for the buck (no pun intended). as for the rig, i went with all CR Speed stuff off of the ipsc store website, great gear. I also carry 4 mags on my belt and one in the gun, but to be safe go with 5+1.
also, once you get your kit, take at least 1000rds and go out and practice on your own. get used to the gear and the gun especially...we all remember the guy on our BB courses with the $1000+ gun and gucci kit and no idea how it works and cant shoot it worth s**t! lol
hope this helps!
chris
also, once you get your kit, take at least 1000rds and go out and practice on your own. get used to the gear and the gun especially...we all remember the guy on our BB courses with the $1000+ gun and gucci kit and no idea how it works and cant shoot it worth s**t! lol
hope this helps!
chris
That rig would be difficult to beat. For guns, you could also look at:
S&W M&P
CZ SP01
Tanfoglio Stock or Stock II (more expensive but very nice)
There are others, but including the Glock that would be the top four I think, in no particular order. To avoid confusion I wouldn't spread my interest too wide for now; just pick any of these that suits you (fits your hand well) and go have fun.
Well, there are many choices. Go to IPSC main site and download regulation pertaining to classes and guns. Also good idea is to visit IPSC Global Village, site with only IPSC in mind.
As for the first gun....
For Production Glock is a good choice, simple, cheap and always work, however CZ SP01 Shadow is also a cheaper gun and IMO better for IPSC Production class. Same like for Glock, CZ offers lots of parts to modify gun to make more 'shootable' for IPSC.
If you like shooting 1911 type of guns, then your choice is Standard Division. Here go with a caliber first rather then pistol. My first pistol was .45ACP Springfield, single stack. In spite of being nice pistol, wasn't necessarily designed for my type of shooting. For standard you need double stack pistol and IMO, good choices are STI Edge or Tangfolio. Both have quite a following in Canada. Standard pistol brand new would cost you with magazines and all whistles around 3,000.
Good Luck
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I'll probably be charged with bias - but what the hell...
DESPITE THESE POSTS, DO NOT GET A GLOCK.
Go with a CZ pattern gun - Tanfoglio, CZ, Baby Eagle, etc.
IPSC is target shooting at it's finest level. The basics of a target gun is decent trigger and good sights. Glocks have neither. Add in their lightness causing excessive recoil and you have a bad IPSC gun.
Sooner or later someone will toss up David Sevigny here, and realize that he can win shooting any gun. He doesn't count. If you look at the top production shooters in Canada, (who are not pros - they're like you) they're not using Glocks - it's CZ pattern all the way.
I have lots of guys insist on getting glocks and later as they start to shoot IPSC seriously, decide that they can go much farther on another gun. Unfortunately, they've already tossed away the money on the glock and it's rig and then they have to pay all over again.
To appease the huge glock following; it's a good gun at what it does - police and miltary sidearm - I'll carry one or keep it in my night table, but I won't compete with one. There are far better choices.
DESPITE THESE POSTS, DO NOT GET A GLOCK.
Go with a CZ pattern gun - Tanfoglio, CZ, Baby Eagle, etc.
IPSC is target shooting at it's finest level. The basics of a target gun is decent trigger and good sights. Glocks have neither. Add in their lightness causing excessive recoil and you have a bad IPSC gun.
Sooner or later someone will toss up David Sevigny here, and realize that he can win shooting any gun. He doesn't count. If you look at the top production shooters in Canada, (who are not pros - they're like you) they're not using Glocks - it's CZ pattern all the way.
I have lots of guys insist on getting glocks and later as they start to shoot IPSC seriously, decide that they can go much farther on another gun. Unfortunately, they've already tossed away the money on the glock and it's rig and then they have to pay all over again.
To appease the huge glock following; it's a good gun at what it does - police and miltary sidearm - I'll carry one or keep it in my night table, but I won't compete with one. There are far better choices.
I'd recommend you don't buy anything if at all possible.
Take the BB course with whatever you've got. Yes, you will need
a) a gun
b) a holster
c) a few mags and a pouch
If you don't have the above (other than the gun), try to borrow what you need for the course. If you can't borrow a holster then buy an inexpensive Uncle Mike's to get you through the course.
Buying before the course means purchasing from a position of ignorance.
Take the course. Shoot a bit. Look around. Talk to people. Then make a more informed choice.
-ivan-
I started off with a GLOCK 17 and it turned out to be a bad choice. The GLOCK did not fit my hand well and I found it 'bounced' (too light). Try handling and shooting several different guns if you can. You will save yourself time and money in the long run. What do I shoot? CZ 75 SP-01.
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Actually, I agree with this. Just didn't want whack the hornets nest. But since Sean already blasted it, I think Glocks handle like hair driers and have triggers like cheap plastic cap guns. But that's just me. They are durable and cheap though.
Assuming starting out in Production Division, in specific order of preference I would say:
1. Tanfoglio. (Stock II or Stock are the best choices, though they have cheaper offerings). More expensive but also more bang for the buck. Lots more.
2. CZ SP01
3. S&W M&P
Buy the best you can afford. That way you'll be less likely to have to re-equip later, spending more money on a better gun that won't hold you back.
...I'll chime in...
If I had my choice between a Glock that works...or some top shelf choice that doesn't...Glock it is
This is especially important for the BB course where competitive level speed is not your primary concern. Nothing will make a great day on the range doing a BB more frustrating than a gun that jams every 2 minutes (regardless of how much is cost)...
I would also echo the statement that for the BB...just use what you have (assuming you have a reliable pistol that you are comfortable shooting).
You'll have plenty of time to spend your nest egg...once you've deicded what Division you want to compete in...and have had a chance to try everyone elses toys...
Once you're ready to spend to get what you want...just call the vendors at the top of t he page(Freedom Ventures/Doubletap/2 Alpha/Questar...etc) and you'll be in good hands. They are all very familiar with IPSC and know what you'll need to compete.
If I had my choice between a Glock that works...or some top shelf choice that doesn't...Glock it is
This is especially important for the BB course where competitive level speed is not your primary concern. Nothing will make a great day on the range doing a BB more frustrating than a gun that jams every 2 minutes (regardless of how much is cost)...
I would also echo the statement that for the BB...just use what you have (assuming you have a reliable pistol that you are comfortable shooting).
You'll have plenty of time to spend your nest egg...once you've deicded what Division you want to compete in...and have had a chance to try everyone elses toys...
Once you're ready to spend to get what you want...just call the vendors at the top of t he page(Freedom Ventures/Doubletap/2 Alpha/Questar...etc) and you'll be in good hands. They are all very familiar with IPSC and know what you'll need to compete.
...I'll chime in...
If I had my choice between a Glock that works...or some top shelf choice that doesn't...Glock it is
This is especially important for the BB course where competitive level speed is not your primary concern. Nothing will make a great day on the range doing a BB more frustrating than a gun that jams every 2 minutes (regardless of how much is cost)...
I would also echo the statement that for the BB...just use what you have (assuming you have a reliable pistol that you are comfortable shooting).
You'll have plenty of time to spend your nest egg...once you've deicded what Division you want to compete in...and have had a chance to try everyone elses toys...
Once you're ready to spend to get what you want...just call the vendors at the top of t he page(Freedom Ventures/Doubletap/2 Alpha/Questar...etc) and you'll be in good hands. They are all very familiar with IPSC and know what you'll need to compete.
being a farely new to IPSC shooter,...I would like to state that out of the box,..the tanfoglio has been reliable. my Shadow was reliable to a point,..don't get any sand inthe mags and you should be ok. MY HK USP was the most reliable I have had,...you can shoot any ammo and it will still function. THe mags could have dirt and sand in them and they still function. IT is not the greatest for recoil...and the DA trigger pull can be a ##### unless you get the Match trigger. The SA on the HK was great, but the grip when compared to the Tanfoglio or CZ now feels like a chair leg.
Even the grip on my STI does not compare to the tanfoglio.
I have only fired Glocks,...and see the attraction,...easy to use and for the most part work well. the recoil in the .40 is just dirty,..nothing is absorbed,...you feel it all (using 175pf 180gr ammo). Makes for some numb hands after a while. A G17 would be ok and cheap to start off with,..but for the same amount of money (approx),...I would get the CZ shadow and use tanfoglio mags. OR, go big and get the tanfoglio stock or stock 2.
Again,..I see the allure of the Glock,...and a lot of local shooters in NB use it. Some are starting to come around and have made steps to switch to CZ and Tanfoglio. Reading all of this,...have an open mind,...don't just get a Glock because joe-blo says so,....get something you will be happy with. Get something that will not leave you wanting for something more. Buy the best and buy once,....buy something because it is cheap, and you will be buying again. I had the mentality at first that HK was the most reliable and it was the best for me,....but slowly I realized that it was not the best for me in competition. THe pistol (HK USP) was slowing me down. My scores have increased by 5 to 10 %,....since switching to tanfoglio.
heavenIsAlie
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...I'll chime in...
If I had my choice between a Glock that works...or some top shelf choice that doesn't...Glock it is
This is especially important for the BB course where competitive level speed is not your primary concern. Nothing will make a great day on the range doing a BB more frustrating than a gun that jams every 2 minutes (regardless of how much is cost)...
you make it sound like a glock is the only gun that will be reliable.
heavenIsAlie
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if it fits your hand well and you shoot it well then go for it. its a more expensive plastic pistol but it is quality
A glock, while decent, is not the cat's ass for ipsc but I think it is the least expensive platform to start playing the game. Buying the best once, is good advice but it is rarely followed. People who are passionate about this sport tend to buy the best and keep right on buying the best. Technology and thier skill level improve and thier gear improves right along with it.
What is best is pretty subjective.
For the glock I like where the safety is better than any other design. I like that they usually work quite well and are inexpensive. I like that they are double stacked. I find the trigger pretty awful and they point like a brick.
For the 1911 I like the way they point and can have a nice trigger. Things I do not like are the single stack requires more skill to do a quick reload (skill that I lack). Because they have more accessories than barbie and dressing them up can be as addictive as crack a 1911 can end up costing a ton to run. I do not like that a poor grip could result in engaging the safety and stopping the pistol.
I do not know enough about other designs to offer an informed opinion.
What is best is pretty subjective.
For the glock I like where the safety is better than any other design. I like that they usually work quite well and are inexpensive. I like that they are double stacked. I find the trigger pretty awful and they point like a brick.
For the 1911 I like the way they point and can have a nice trigger. Things I do not like are the single stack requires more skill to do a quick reload (skill that I lack). Because they have more accessories than barbie and dressing them up can be as addictive as crack a 1911 can end up costing a ton to run. I do not like that a poor grip could result in engaging the safety and stopping the pistol.
I do not know enough about other designs to offer an informed opinion.
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if you have your heart set on an HK,..I would say in .45,...get the new HK45,...better ergonomics. In 9mm, wait until september and get the new P30-L...I have one on order.
HK has actually listened to some IPSC/USPSA shooters and made the gun more user friendly.
I am still going to use tanfoglio,..but the new HK P30-L is a USP with some major improvements,..so I can't resist. I will probably use the HK for CDP or something similiar that type of sport.
heavenIsAlie
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no i was just pointing out how you made it sound
of course no one wants a gun that is jamming all the time, that is a given.
Lets make it simple!!
Like buying a car there's only one kind Right??
There a lot of different things to consider in buying a handgun?
How big is your hand
Does the handgun feel comfortable in your hand
Do you weight 100lbs or 300lbs
Do you work with your hands
Are you strong
Do you mind recoil
Do you want a Hobby or Obsession
Do want to reload or buy factory
Are you right or left handed
and on and on and on
Try several shooting several different times with each ask what mods if any have been done to the pistol your shooting? Big difference (eg 3.5 lb trigger versus 12 lb trigger)
I don't own a Glock but don't find the recoil bad on any I shot.I actually like the 34-35 will probally buy one probally 9mm to lend to people trying out handguns. (don't own a 9 and have lots of ammo prefer 45 but brass vultures piss me off, So will be shooting 40 open this fall ) Eyes are starting to go.
So to sum it up, If it was easy we'd all drive same cars and shoot same guns,
but its not its up to you to try as many as possible prefferably multiple times
and make your own decision!!
Also remember if you don't like the sport (can't really imagine) but if you don't what retains it value best that YOU Like .
It all brews down to personal likes and dislikes
Welcome to the sport Hope you enjoy it
Supermag
Like buying a car there's only one kind Right??
There a lot of different things to consider in buying a handgun?
How big is your hand
Does the handgun feel comfortable in your hand
Do you weight 100lbs or 300lbs
Do you work with your hands
Are you strong
Do you mind recoil
Do you want a Hobby or Obsession
Do want to reload or buy factory
Are you right or left handed
and on and on and on
Try several shooting several different times with each ask what mods if any have been done to the pistol your shooting? Big difference (eg 3.5 lb trigger versus 12 lb trigger)
I don't own a Glock but don't find the recoil bad on any I shot.I actually like the 34-35 will probally buy one probally 9mm to lend to people trying out handguns. (don't own a 9 and have lots of ammo prefer 45 but brass vultures piss me off, So will be shooting 40 open this fall ) Eyes are starting to go.
So to sum it up, If it was easy we'd all drive same cars and shoot same guns,
but its not its up to you to try as many as possible prefferably multiple times
and make your own decision!!
Also remember if you don't like the sport (can't really imagine) but if you don't what retains it value best that YOU Like .
It all brews down to personal likes and dislikes
Welcome to the sport Hope you enjoy it
Supermag
