stencollector
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How about a Liberator .45 ACP converted to a 106.7 mm barrel? Here is mine:
Smallest pistol Legal in canada
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Age. Not condition, though; every PSP I've ever seen was in as-new condition.
Minimum handgun barrel length is 105mm unless your a 12-6 grampa
If you don't have the magic numbers 12-6 on the back of your RPAL the minimum barrel length is 105mm (slightly over 4") & NO .32's or 25's unless you're an Olympic competitor & then only certain prescribed handguns.
I call all my prohibs my "grand kids" and of course I'm "grampa".
For stateside CCWers who want to be able to walk around and bend without looking like they have had their last 10 vertebra fused being a 12-6 "grampa" is almost a necessity unless you're 6' 8" and shop at "Mr. Big & Tall" and can carry a cinder block size handgun under your jacket without it "printing" & giving away the show or without having to wear one of those so called "comfortable" (like an appendectomy without anesthetic) plastic clip on under the belt holsters so you can CCW packing a 2 pound Howitzer.
My girlfriend has an Utah CFP and once we've cleared the border & are stateside I can lend her one of my snubbies to carry in her jogging fanny pack. She doesn't even have a Canadian PAL.
In the US, I carry a little S&W Model 36 (38 spl. +P) snubnose revolver that I can completely hide with the palm of one hand & loaded with 38 spl. 158 grain HP (+P) ammo (5 round cylinder) I'm sure will deflate the largest of assailants.
The only pain in the butt is having to get the DFAIT export permit from the Canadian Department of Foreign Affairs every time I cross the border.
Life Memberships: NRA, GOA, CSSA, NFA, OFAH
CCW Permits: Utah, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Maine
If you don't have the magic numbers 12-6 on the back of your RPAL the minimum barrel length is 105mm (slightly over 4") & NO .32's or 25's unless you're an Olympic competitor & then only certain prescribed handguns.
I call all my prohibs my "grand kids" and of course I'm "grampa".
For stateside CCWers who want to be able to walk around and bend without looking like they have had their last 10 vertebra fused being a 12-6 "grampa" is almost a necessity unless you're 6' 8" and shop at "Mr. Big & Tall" and can carry a cinder block size handgun under your jacket without it "printing" & giving away the show or without having to wear one of those so called "comfortable" (like an appendectomy without anesthetic) plastic clip on under the belt holsters so you can CCW packing a 2 pound Howitzer.
My girlfriend has an Utah CFP and once we've cleared the border & are stateside I can lend her one of my snubbies to carry in her jogging fanny pack. She doesn't even have a Canadian PAL.
In the US, I carry a little S&W Model 36 (38 spl. +P) snubnose revolver that I can completely hide with the palm of one hand & loaded with 38 spl. 158 grain HP (+P) ammo (5 round cylinder) I'm sure will deflate the largest of assailants.
The only pain in the butt is having to get the DFAIT export permit from the Canadian Department of Foreign Affairs every time I cross the border.
Life Memberships: NRA, GOA, CSSA, NFA, OFAH
CCW Permits: Utah, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Maine
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It's a matter of opinion(s).....yours, the CFOs & the Judges
That's cheatin ain't it ??
Some ambitious young cop or CFO inspector looking for a promotion might contend that the frame of the gun in the picture stops where the ring intersects the barrel and charge you if you don't have a 12-6 RPAL and you'll spend a year in court and $10K paying your lawyer & a firearms expert to testify for you proving it isn't.......even though it is probably currently registered as a restricted firearm.
Stranger things have happened.
Charging you is just filling out a piece of paper for a cop............you'll be handing a lawyer & perhaps a firearms expert a lot more paper of a different kind to pay for their services if the authorities want to make your life miserable.
It seems that a lot of authorities want to make things miserable for gun owners these days......especially Ontario & Quebec gun owners.
Life Memberships: NRA, GOA, CSSA, NFA, OFAH
CCW Permits: Utah, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Maine
How about a Liberator .45 ACP converted to a 106.7 mm barrel? Here is mine:
That's cheatin ain't it ??
Some ambitious young cop or CFO inspector looking for a promotion might contend that the frame of the gun in the picture stops where the ring intersects the barrel and charge you if you don't have a 12-6 RPAL and you'll spend a year in court and $10K paying your lawyer & a firearms expert to testify for you proving it isn't.......even though it is probably currently registered as a restricted firearm.
Stranger things have happened.
Charging you is just filling out a piece of paper for a cop............you'll be handing a lawyer & perhaps a firearms expert a lot more paper of a different kind to pay for their services if the authorities want to make your life miserable.
It seems that a lot of authorities want to make things miserable for gun owners these days......especially Ontario & Quebec gun owners.
Life Memberships: NRA, GOA, CSSA, NFA, OFAH
CCW Permits: Utah, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Maine
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stencollector
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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Not quite sure what the intersection of the trigger guard over the barrel has to do with overall barrel length.
I cleared what I was doing with the Senior Firearms Technologist of the RCMP Firearms Support Services directorate before I undertook the conversion. The extra 5 mm of barrel are not an extension, the whole barrel is a recycled sten barrel, bored out to .45 cal and chambered for the .45 ACP. I ended up at 106.7 mm including the crown. I could have gone a bit shorter, but a simple hiccup and the lathe would have taken it too short.
I don't have 12.6, and this Liberator is likely the first one in Canada properly registered as restricted. There is another in the system registered as 110mm, but it was unverified.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure
Hope that the clearance is in writing with a supporting attached diagram.
You know the way things are in Canada for GUNNUTZ.
The cops will lay charges if the thing "looks" prohibited and it's not as if there are 100 of them out there registered as restricted to claim a precedent.
Most of our constabulary don't know trigger guards, from frames, from 105 mm barrels, from basket balls. If it looks small & compact like a prohibited they'll say ......"Tell it to the judge" as they're handcuffing you.
A word to the wise: I'd get that RCMP clearance in writing on official letterhead with the Senior Technologist's signature at the bottom with an attached diagram (also similarly signed) & keep it with the gun, right beside the registration certificate, if I were you Sir.
Remember it's Canada & we're the licensed gun owners / "the bad guys" and are guilty until proven innocent.
Life Memberships: NRA, GOA, CSSA, NFA, OFAH
CCW Permits: Utah, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Maine
Hope that the clearance is in writing with a supporting attached diagram.
You know the way things are in Canada for GUNNUTZ.
The cops will lay charges if the thing "looks" prohibited and it's not as if there are 100 of them out there registered as restricted to claim a precedent.
Most of our constabulary don't know trigger guards, from frames, from 105 mm barrels, from basket balls. If it looks small & compact like a prohibited they'll say ......"Tell it to the judge" as they're handcuffing you.
A word to the wise: I'd get that RCMP clearance in writing on official letterhead with the Senior Technologist's signature at the bottom with an attached diagram (also similarly signed) & keep it with the gun, right beside the registration certificate, if I were you Sir.
Remember it's Canada & we're the licensed gun owners / "the bad guys" and are guilty until proven innocent.
Life Memberships: NRA, GOA, CSSA, NFA, OFAH
CCW Permits: Utah, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Maine
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What's the main difference between the P7 & P7M8? Is it the added heat shield? I have a P7 and have been wondering why the P7M8 is nearly $1000 more than I paid for my P7.
Well, the heat shield is one and the mag release on the trigger guard like us North Americans like it instead of on the heel, is another. There really isn't a lot of difference between the two. You appreciate the heat shield though if you start rattling off a bunch of rounds in a hurry. It does get a little warm.
