ODPL Multi-Gun Match - Sept 27th, 2008!

[Jarlath]

Well guys, it's that time of year and we are pulling out the stops. Everyone likes a good scenario and we though to ourselves 'What the hell'.

Ask those who attend our matches at Galt and I'm sure they will tell you, our scrolling storylines and setups make for a great and fun time.

This IS a rain or shine event.

 

[7.62mm]

OOOOHHH!!!!! This sounds like fun

 

[Jarlath]

OOOOHHH!!!!! This sounds like fun

Almost makes you wonder about the theme

 

[7.62mm]

I have never shot a Tac Gear Match, does this mean I would be able to use my IPSC equipment, ie. holster and belt? I have shot IPSC 3 Gun, will the format be similar?

 

[Jarlath]

Yes. Standard rules do not apply. All we require is that the holster have a covered trigger guard and securely retain the firearm.

You will most likely be required to carry on your person the following.
Assuming you have 10 round handguns, 5 round carbine and tube fed Shotgun.

30-40 rounds handgun (3-4 mags)
30-40 rounds Carbine (6-8 mags)
15 rounds Shotgun
These include the initial loads (So if you have a 4 round shotgun, you could potentially expect to have an additional dozen rounds required)

BTW. This is NOT revolver friendly. If you are using a handgun with 7-8 round mags I recommend you have 5 magazines incase you miss

Magazines loaded to maximum legal capacity is a requirement.
Max reloading tube fed firearms is NOT a requirement.
Reloading from cover/minimal profile IS a requirement.

Never seen nor shot an IPSC three gun so I cannot comment. Mayhaps Acrashb or other old hand can comment

 

[7.62mm]

Excellent thanks. One other question. You mentioned 5 round carbine mags, all I have are 10 Round AR mags, can these be used, as long as they are loded to capacity?

 

[Jarlath]

Excellent thanks. One other question. You mentioned 5 round carbine mags, all I have are 10 Round AR mags, can these be used, as long as they are loded to capacity?

Yes. You note I said assuming you have 5 round mags.

Magazines loaded to maximum legal capacity is a requirement.

Last I heard was that RRA Pistol mag was legal capacity of 10. Unless someone changed that.You'll still prolly need a minimum of 4 of them. Those damned forced reloads....

I've seen guys with Leverguns, Norc M-14's, AR's (9mm, .223, .308), Beretta Storms, Ruger Mini-14's and Pistol Carbines. I need to discuss with the MD about the usage of "Hard Stocked Glocks" (aka Glock Carbine) as has been asked.

You would still need a separate "handgun" cause we don't want you mucking with your guns during a match.

 

[TDC]

What's with the chamber flags and no slings?

TDC

 

[Jarlath]

Chamber flags for long guns not in use (aka on the rack). We'll be bringing a bunch for sale.

No slings as in you can have them attached, but no use of sling for carry purposes. (This was the Match Director's choice, and no I'm not the MD.) I've adjusted the CoF as necessary.

 

[667]

BTW. This is NOT reveolver friendly.

'Doesn't mean revolvers aren't a viable tool though...
'Seen it more than once where a guy using a 2" .38 snubby has soundly thrashed all the competition and their 10 shot tricked out pistols.

I still have the scores save on my HD if anyone wants to see 'em

 

[Jarlath]

'Doesn't mean revolvers aren't a viable tool though...
'Seen it more than once where a guy using a 2" .38 snubby has soundly thrashed all the competition and their 10 shot tricked out pistols.

I still have the scores save on my HD if anyone wants to see 'em

I never said you couldn't use them You better have 5+ speedloaders mind you. Hell This isn't 6,7,8,9,10 round friendly in most cases

As my friend Rick says to me... "You're the grim reaper of CoF's....."

 

[TDC]

Chamber flags for long guns not in use (aka on the rack). We'll be bringing a bunch for sale.

No slings as in you can have them attached, but no use of sling for carry purposes. (This was the Match Director's choice, and no I'm not the MD.) I've adjusted the CoF as necessary.

Sounds like a lack of trust in the shooters by requiring chamber flags. Not to mention a chamber flag is a false sense of security. All firearms are loaded at all times and are treated as such. Which would make a chamber flag irrelevant.

Can't use your sling?? So what's the point in having one? Are you saying you can't even approach the line with you rifle slung(and flagged)??

TDC

ETA: The BS known as "revolver Friendly" stages is solely designed for those who can't accept that revolvers are ancient tools from yester year. The way I see it, you chose your poison live with it.

 

[Jarlath]

Sounds like a lack of trust in the shooters by requiring chamber flags. Not to mention a chamber flag is a false sense of security. All firearms are loaded at all times and are treated as such. Which would make a chamber flag irrelevant.

Can't use your sling?? So what's the point in having one? Are you saying you can't even approach the line with you rifle slung(and flagged)??

If you don't like the rules, then don't come out and play.
Flags are a request by the club to prove unchambered at a glance while down range.
As for slings, how many people can use a sling and follow range rule muzzle direction? Not enough acording to our MD.

As for approaching the line, why would you need it slung? Too hard to hold in your hands approaching the line? That must be it.

As for the sling rules, What can I say. I have single point sling attachments on my Tac Shotty and my Carbine, yet I just want to shoot & have fun. Heck, I'll be so busy being an RSO that I doubt I'll even get a chance to shoot the match...
If no sling usage and forced use of chamber flags sound like not having fun shooting then don't come out. It's simple.

 

[Jarlath]

ETA: The BS known as "revolver Friendly" stages is solely designed for those who can't accept that revolvers are ancient tools from yester year. The way I see it, you chose your poison live with it.

Laugh. That's funny, many I know who started with Semi's find the revolver more challenging in ODPL. Revolvers are a tool just like ALL firearms. If you NEED more than a revolver in a defensive scenario then your are most likely screwed anyways.

 

[7.62mm]

Some people are just "Born To #####" . Hey that would make a great custom line under an Avatar. Hint Hint, Wink Wink, Nudge Nudge........

 

[TDC]

For starters, I live in Alberta so my attendance would be difficult. Not that I wouldn't like to come shoot!

I was curious as to why the stupid rules. As you mentioned it appears that the club and/or MD are the ones with the issues. Again, if someone is unable to control their muzzle whether the firearm be slung or not, they deserve to be disqualified and booted off the range. Shooting is a big boy activity and requires a little intelligence. Fundamental firearms rules and handling skills are the "entrance" exams for the participants.

Approaching the line slung or utilizing a sling at the line is nice when you're instructed to load your pistol(which should be loaded anyway. An unloaded pistol doesn't do any good and it is HOLSTERED. Yet another stupid rule imposed by nearly all ranges.) and also have you rifle/shotgun. The whole purpose to a sling is to free up your hands for other tasks.

Any firearm with a chamber flag installed is a firearm not being employed. Which means no, its not fun. If you're an RSO, I feel sorry for you. Most folks who RSO don't get to shoot the match which really sucks.

TDC

 

[TDC]

Laugh. That's funny, many I know who started with Semi's find the revolver more challenging in ODPL. Revolvers are a tool just like ALL firearms. If you NEED more than a revolver in a defensive scenario then your are most likely screwed anyways.

I'm not saying there isn't a challenge when using a revolver. Nor am I saying don't run one. I'm saying don't ##### when you spend a great deal more time reloading when compared to those with autos and have the times and/or scores to reflect it.

The myth of "if you can't solve the problem with six you can't solve it with 10/12/15/17." is just that, a myth. I have yet to see a revolver shooter compete with the auto guys and win. I'm sure it can be done, but its definitely an uphill battle. Keep in mind most defensive situations involve several scumbags which means you either place your shots without fail, or increase your capacity. I like a challenge like the next guy, but when it comes to life and death. I prefer to shoot my ducks in a barrel with the belt fed. More advantages on my side the better. There's no "sport" in defensive fighting.

Not to mention the mechanical advantages of running an auto over a revolver are more than enough reason to avoid wheel guns.

TDC

 

[Jarlath]

For starters, I live in Alberta so my attendance would be difficult. Not that I wouldn't like to come shoot!

I know And we'd love to have you come out and shoot.

I was curious as to why the stupid rules. As you mentioned it appears that the club and/or MD are the ones with the issues. Again, if someone is unable to control their muzzle whether the firearm be slung or not, they deserve to be disqualified and booted off the range. Shooting is a big boy activity and requires a little intelligence. Fundamental firearms rules and handling skills are the "entrance" exams for the participants.

Oh I agree, but too many of the big boys are too complacent when it comes to firearms safety. Plus I don't mind the no sling rules, just one less thing that I can DQ people for.

Approaching the line slung or utilizing a sling at the line is nice when you're instructed to load your pistol(which should be loaded anyway. An unloaded pistol doesn't do any good and it is HOLSTERED. Yet another stupid rule imposed by nearly all ranges.) and also have you rifle/shotgun. The whole purpose to a sling is to free up your hands for other tasks.

We have a rack to place long guns in, next to the start position. We place the long guns there, load & make ready handguns and holster, then retrieve the longun and load & make ready or stage them as required. Since it is very rare that you need to sling to reload a secondary firearms (dependant on the CoF), You can usually do everything with a single hand as per a CoF design.

Any firearm with a chamber flag installed is a firearm not being employed. Which means no, its not fun. If you're an RSO, I feel sorry for you. Most folks who RSO don't get to shoot the match which really sucks.

Chamber flag is only there for the NON active shooters. When they go on the line, the flag is removed until the end of the stage. Pretty simple. If you are the active shooter, no flag

I'll still probably bring my gear just in case.

 

[mebiuspower]

n/m

 

[acrashb]

Never seen nor shot an IPSC three gun so I cannot comment. Mayhaps Acrashb or other old hand can comment

Er... I'm only middle-aged.

Having said that, as far as I know IPSC multi-guns do one gun per stage. We do two or more. A "Typical" carbine stage would start with carbine, then transition to handgun to finish. Or you might start with a shotgun, unload show clear and stage, then pickup your staged carbine, then move to handgun.

Depends on the course design.

Bottom line, if you can safely handle your firearm, you're welcome.