Hunting Skill/Combination/Shooting Skill

[pgpapa]

600 yards

I had to think about this. I know where my gun shoots at 300 400 500 yards but never even to bother with any thing longer, to many varables wind etc. Maybe with turrets on my scope and a lot of pactice but then there is still wind and other varables that make it hard to decide to take that long of a shot. Punching paper at that distance is ok if you miss by a litttle no big deal.

I think it a decision that evey body needs to make on thier own. If you go out once a year to sight your rifle in I dont think any body should even think about it but if you do pactice a lot at varying distances and are really sure of your self then it up to you.

Larry

 

[wasabi]

Like pgpapa,
I practice shooting at those ranges,so I knowthat bothe the gun and I are reliable,I aslo carry a range finder and a wind meter,so I know whether to shoot or not, and some of those big high mountain mulies are hard to get close to, so if conditions were favourable I would take the shot.It's a judgement call,because I hate chasing wounded animals.

 

[sealhunter]

The poll shows a definite consesus, there are normal down to earth post in the threads, and I am encouraged.

 

[7mmlefty]

For me, hunting is generally a closer range sport.
Ducks and geese are shot at 40 yds or less.
Archery for deer are always under 30 yds.
Muzzle loader is 100 yds or less( preferably 50 yds or less).
Rifle for big game is also 200 yds or less.

Past the ranges I've mentioned, it becomes an ethics question of you're own personal skills, confidence in you're self and equipment and ultimately a question only the hunter can ask themselves if a full recovery of the game animal is possible..

 

[stubblejumper]

Rifle for big game is also 200 yds or less.

On this thread it's 200 yards or less,but on another thread it's gaining on 300 real fast.If the deer runs out at 200yards gaining fast on 300 yards,how far out is it by the time the gun is aimed and fired?How far out is it when the second shot is fired?Definitely more than 200 yards,possibly even 300 yards.

They are the only shots we have out west, as we walk all day, kicking up deer and they are always on the run and quite difficult to shoot off hand.



Now you know why 20 rounds wont see you through the week and can make you nervous when you've only got one or two bullets left and a big bruiser runs out in front of you at 200 yds and gaining on 300 real fast.

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[kimzter]

legally shooting a wild animal is hunting regardless of the range
i had typed in a bunch of other stuff but most of it was almost as antagonistic
as the question
Kimzter

 

[Gatehouse]

I suppose we have to look at hunintg in general, and it's beginnings.

Hunting was always a method of gathering food, and hunters used the best technology that was available and they could afford. From spears to .50 BMG at long range.

I'm not sure I can call one or the other more ethical.

I tend to believe that people that have no knowledge of others capabilities tend to pass judgement on what is hunting and what is not.

I'd say that before I passed judegement on any style of hunting- 600 yards with a rifle or 40 yards with a bow- I'd have to educate myself.

I've sure seen/heard of lots of animals being wounded and not recovered by bows at close range, rifles at close-medium range...Is it "real hunting" if you shoot at 100 yards and wound and lose the animal, but it's not "real hunting" if you shoot and kill at 600?"

 

[effinggoof]

I just can't see myself or my gear making a 600 yard shot. For ME ( YMMV, there are way better shooters and hunters on here than me) that would be crazy.

But hey, if you can do it...it's hunting.

 

[sealhunter]

I suppose we have to look at hunintg in general, and it's beginnings.

Hunting was always a method of gathering food, and hunters used the best technology that was available and they could afford. From spears to .50 BMG at long range.

I'm not sure I can call one or the other more ethical.

I tend to believe that people that have no knowledge of others capabilities tend to pass judgement on what is hunting and what is not.

I'd say that before I passed judegement on any style of hunting- 600 yards with a rifle or 40 yards with a bow- I'd have to educate myself.

I've sure seen/heard of lots of animals being wounded and not recovered by bows at close range, rifles at close-medium range...Is it "real hunting" if you shoot at 100 yards and wound and lose the animal, but it's not "real hunting" if you shoot and kill at 600?"

I'm not making it ethical/ or unethical,
It is legal afterall.

Is it hunting of you can shoot an animal from 1000 yrds?
1500 yrds?

Does hunting simply mean that what you do is legal?

How important are 600 yrd shots to most hunters?

If you were asked by a novice hunter to help him prepare for an upcoming moose hunt, what things would you try and teach and instill in him?
How far up that list would 600 yrd shots be?

I could take a kid and say you need to get good with your 500 and 600 yrd groups, so practice for two months and then you're ready. I then take him to a small top, or valley side, sit him in a shooting chair, and tell him to shoot a moose.
He may fill his tag, he may kill the moose, but for my end of it, I did not teach him to hunt.

 

[Gatehouse]

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Is it hunting of you can shoot an animal from 1000 yrds?
1500 yrds?

Hunting is generally defined as the seeking for and killing of wild animals, so under that definition, yes, it is.

How important are 600 yrd shots to most hunters?

About as important as 10 yard shots to most rifle hunters- not important at all.

If you were asked by a novice hunter to help him prepare for an upcoming moose hunt, what things would you try and teach and instill in him?
How far up that list would 600 yrd shots be?

600 yard shots are about as important to a novice as goat or grizzly hunting- Not that important when you are a novice. That is stuff that you can leave for later.

I could take a kid and say you need to get good with your 500 and 600 yrd groups, so practice for two months and then you're ready. I then take him to a small top, or valley side, sit him in a shooting chair, and tell him to shoot a moose.
He may fill his tag, he may kill the moose, but for my end of it, I did not teach him to hunt.

Presuming you had the knowledge to train a novice to make consistent hits at 600 yards in 2 months, you taught him to shoot. If he has no knowledge of finding or spotting game, any kills he may make are due to luck.

However, your example is very narrow- Just because a person *can* shot long range does not mean they have no knowledge of hunting skill.

 

[Andy]

To me hunting is synonymous with "stalking" , therefore shooting at 600+ yards tells me that you are pretty s**tty at stalking.

So I guess stand hunting is not hunting? The use of decoys from blinds is not hunting. Using dogs is not hunting.......

 

[sealhunter]

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However, your example is very narrow- Just because a person *can* shot long range does not mean they have no knowledge of hunting skill.

It was meant to be narrow. Whether you have hunted 40 yrs, or this is your first hunt ever, but you were a target shooter for 40 yrs,
is the act of shooting at 600 yrds, hunting. You say yes, as hunting is defined as the persuing and taking of animals.

Perhaps a deffimition of persue? (Simply going with the intent satisfies persue)

I'll go back to you saying that 600 yrd shots are hunting shots, indeed.
Many take this attitude because they see the 600 yrd shot as skill.
However, by the inclusion, you almost have to bring in the "truck Hunter"
He drives in a back road, theres a deer on the side of the road, he gets out and shoots it. He was hunting, but again, I don't qualify this as hunting, that's just me. More accurately, is very different than my method, ...

What would classify a good hunter? or an experienced hunter?

Simply that he fills his tags each year with minimal wounding etc etc etc.
If this is so, then I'd enjoy being around the coffee pot when Joe Blow, who stalks, scouts, calls, hikes, etc etc etc is told by Jim Blow, who takes his animal each year from the hood of the truck in his back yard, wearin sneakers and a wife beater, with his SKS, etc etc etc

That they are both doing the same thing, Hunting! and we are the same you and I, Hunters!!!

Things will get interesting now I suspect

 

[Gatehouse]

It was meant to be narrow. Whether you have hunted 40 yrs, or this is your first hunt ever, but you were a target shooter for 40 yrs,
is the act of shooting at 600 yrds, hunting. You say yes, as hunting is defined as the persuing and taking of animals.

Perhaps a deffimition of persue? (Simply going with the intent satisfies persue)

I'll go back to you saying that 600 yrd shots are hunting shots, indeed.
Many take this attitude because they see the 600 yrd shot as skill.
However, by the inclusion, you almost have to bring in the "truck Hunter"
He drives in a back road, theres a deer on the side of the road, he gets out and shoots it. He was hunting, but again, I don't qualify this as hunting, that's just me. More accurately, is very different than my method, ...

What would classify a good hunter? or an experienced hunter?

Simply that he fills his tags each year with minimal wounding etc etc etc.
If this is so, then I'd enjoy being around the coffee pot when Joe Blow, who stalks, scouts, calls, hikes, etc etc etc is told by Jim Blow, who takes his animal each year from the hood of the truck in his back yard, wearin sneakers and a wife beater, with his SKS, etc etc etc

That they are both doing the same thing, Hunting! and we are the same you and I, Hunters!!!

Things will get interesting now I suspect

I think that you wish to impose your narrow views of what constitutes "hunting" on to others.

"If you don't hunt the way I say is the correct way, it's not worthwhile"

Honestly, your arguments sound like the gun owners that think that nobody should have a handgun or black rifle since "they" don't use one...Or the hunters that are against baiting or using hounds because "they" dont' do it, or the fly fishermen that think that only "thier" method of angling is correct...

 

[Gibbs505]

I was always told, by a very experenced africian hunter, that you get as close as you can, then you get ten yards closer!!

 

[sealhunter]

I think that you wish to impose your narrow views of what constitutes "hunting" on to others....

If you looked at the poll or read my posts as well as others, I think it's evident that you didn't think at all

"If you don't hunt the way I say is the correct way, it's not worthwhile"

As you have been called on before, along with a few forum pals, ....

Why don't you stop twisting and manipulating threads and posts in efforts to fulfiil your need be viewed as all accepting and all knowledgable. You are neither.
Nowhere, absolutely no where, did I say "correct". In fact, I made sure to qualify whatever is legal, as hunting. My method is what is "correct" for me, and anyone elses is what is correct for them.

Honestly, your arguments sound like the gun owners that think that nobody should have a handgun or black rifle since "they" don't use one...Or the hunters that are against baiting or using hounds because "they" dont' do it, or the fly fishermen that think that only "thier" method of angling is correct...

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Again, nowhere did I say correct, yet this is your second time using the word refering to my discussion and views.

I'll leave this response to giving you the opportunity to read the thread, as you obviously have not, or if you have, need help with interpreting what you read.

As well, try and recognize that oppinions do not quanitate to narrow mindedness. I have an oppinion that what you just posted was simply grandstanding, but I'm not narrowminded enough to think you don't know better..

Also might I suggest you look at the poll.

 

[Gatehouse]

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If you looked at the poll or read my posts as well as others, I think it's evident that you didn't think at all

No, I am pretty sure I understand your intent. You don't view long shooting as "hunting" because you have a specific, narrow view of what "real" hunting is.

Why d

on't you stop twisting and manipulating threads and posts in efforts to fulfiil your need be viewed as all accepting and all knowledgable. You are neither.

Sure, Dr Phil...

My method is what is "correct" for me, and anyone elses is what is correct for them. Again, nowhere did I say correct, yet this is your second time using the word refering to my discussion and views

If this is true- Why do you make posts that say that you don't believe methods like "road" hunting or long range shots are hunting? Why not just say "I don't shoot long range or road hunt, since it's not my thing" Why even start this thread and poll?

What other methods do you not approve of? Hound hunting? Baiting? Doing drives? Just curious...

As well, try and recognize that oppinions do not quanitate to narrow mindedness. I

Of course. Every one has opinions. Some are narrow in view,others are not.

Also might I suggest you look at the poll

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I wonder how many people that responded are actually capable of making 600 yard shots, every time- or at least understand that it can be done by some people with astonishing regularity.

Looking at the poll, it appears many others have a more narrow view of what constitutes hunting than I do. I can live with that.

 

[sealhunter]

I wonder how many people that responded are actually capable of making 600 yard shots, every time- or at least understand that it can be done by some people with astonishing regularity.

So now it's not just me, it's the 70% of people on this thread that you need to enlighten

Looking at the poll, it appears many others have a more narrow view of what constitutes hunting than I do. I can live with that.

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well if you can live with it, then live with it, and you have no need to post further.

 

[stubblejumper]

So now it's not just me, it's the 70% of people on this thread that you need to enlighten

Actually its closer to 65%,in other words,for every two people that voted it's not hunting,one voted that it is hunting.With only two choices to choose from,a 2 to 1 ratio is a majority,but it is not even close to being unanimous.

I know people that don't consider jump shooting ducks to be hunting,as far as they are concerned,the only way to hunt ducks is by setting out decoys and calling in the birds.Other people don't consider sitting in a stand hunting.Other don't consider driving deer hunting.Some don't consider baiting hunting.

As far as I am concerned,if it's legal,and you can provide as quick and clean of kills as possible it's hunting.

 

[sealhunter]

Actually its closer to 65%,in other words,for every two people that voted it's not hunting,one voted that it is hunting.With only two choices to choose from,a 2 to 1 ratio is a majority,but it is not even close to being unanimous.

Or in other words 2/3 believe it is not hunting. 2 out of three people believe it is not hunting. If you ask three people, only one person will say it is hunting.

Well let's hope if 65% of the pop vote CPC, we don't have to spend too much time on unanimous definitions, majority works just fine for me.

 

[stubblejumper]

Well let's hope if 65% of the pop vote CPC, we don't have to spend too much time on unanimous definitions, majority works just fine for me.

You do realize that popular vote and a majority government are not directly related.You can have a majority government with less than 40% of the popular vote,and then again,you could theoretically have 65% of the popular vote,and not even win the election.