Hunting Skill/Combination/Shooting Skill

[sealhunter]

You do realize that popular vote and a majority government are not directly related.You can have a majority government with less than 40% of the popular vote,and then again,you could theoretically have 65% of the popular vote,and not even win the election.

Of course I realize that,... do you realize the explanation you have inserted has abosolutly nothing to do with the poll or the results on this thread, or the topic...
the poll above represents individual votes, not seats, deligates etc etc, so a popular vote is a majority vote...
you just tried to make unrelated information, seem related, to lend support to your other post.
Go see debating fallacies..

are you Liberal?

 

[Gatehouse]

So now it's not just me, it's the 70% of people on this thread that you need to enlighten

I would prefer it if people were more accepting of how other people choose to hunt or what guns they choose to shoot...

Hunters and shooter numbers have declined, we are under constant attack from the likes of PETA and Wendy Cukier, and it sure would be nicer if we actually stuck together, rather than drive wedges between hunters by attempting to discredit a legal hunting method that is used by some.

I may not hunt over bait, don't sit in a tree stand, don't shoot at 600 yards, don't use hounds, don't organize drives, don't use an SKS, don't "party hunt" and I don't even road hunt that often, either.

But one thing I do know is that I have much more in common with these people than I do with any non hunter, and I'm not going to attempt to tell these hunters that "their" style of hunting is not "really " hunting, since it really serves no purpose other than to divide hunters.

 

[Brutus]

Bravo Gatehouse........well stated!

 

[stubblejumper]

Of course I realize that,... do you realize the explanation you have inserted has abosolutly nothing to do with the poll or the results on this thread, or the topic...

To use your own words.

do you realize the explanation you have inserted has abosolutly nothing to do with the poll or the results on this thread, or the topic...

in referring to:

Well let's hope if 65% of the pop vote CPC, we don't have to spend too much time on unanimous definitions, majority works just fine for me.

You are the one that brought up the federal election,so if my statement about the federal election is off topic,so is your statement that I quoted above.

 

[sealhunter]

If you choose to accept all, and allign with all (as long as it's legal) then don't bash the guy who takes 50 bullets for one deer. He is hunting, legally, etc etc etc.

I would prefer it if people were more accepting of how other people choose to hunt or what guns they choose to shoot...

Hunters and shooter numbers have declined, we are under constant attack from the likes of PETA and Wendy Cukier, and it sure would be nicer if we actually stuck together, rather than drive wedges between hunters by attempting to discredit a legal hunting method that is used by some.

I may not hunt over bait, don't sit in a tree stand, don't shoot at 600 yards, don't use hounds, don't organize drives, don't use an SKS, don't "party hunt" and I don't even road hunt that often, either.

But one thing I do know is that I have much more in common with these people than I do with any non hunter, and I'm not going to attempt to tell these hunters that "their" style of hunting is not "really " hunting, since it really serves no purpose other than to divide hunters.

 

[sealhunter]

You tried to manipulate my reference to the poll results so as to make the results look less significant by attempting to disqualify what majority means.

You twist posts and manipulate them often, you were called on it, and again twist and turn,...

To use your own words.


in referring to:



You are the one that brought up the federal election,so if my statement about the federal election is off topic,so is your statement that I quoted above.

 

[Gatehouse]

If you choose to accept all, and allign with all (as long as it's legal) then don't bash the guy who takes 50 bullets for one deer. He is hunting, legally, etc etc etc.

Shooting 50 bullets at one deer isn't a "hunting method" it's a sign of poor marksmanship. We do have a duty to the animals to be diligent in our shooting skills, to reduce the chances of poor hits and causing animals to suffer.

I'm not so concerned about *what* your hunting method is, as long as you can do it well, and you can kill cleanly.

 

[stubblejumper]

If you choose to accept all, and allign with all (as long as it's legal) then don't bash the guy who takes 50 bullets for one deer. He is hunting, legally, etc etc etc.

You bashed him.You said he lacked common sense,and that his taking 30 rounds to sight in was scary.You even asked if he was a troll.Or don't you consider asking if the guy is a troll bashing?

#3.. Unless you are a new hunter,still coming into what your capabilities are and aren't, then I think 50 round is excessive for one animal. Even if they are running, and granted running shots are hard, but if ya can't hit a running shot with 1 of 10 shots, even if you are a novice, revamp your method. That's not a dig, that's just common sense. I suck at running shots, practiced them, and still didn't like them, so now I pass on them.

#4. I am more concerned about 30 shots to confirm zero?
Right there this tells me that the shooter is not familiar with his scope, rifle or sighting technique,... that's scary.


#7. Is poster a troll? seriously, are we being played.

You twist posts and manipulate them often, you were called on it, and again twist and turn,.

Let's see who twists and turns in responding to this post,and the post below..

Shooting 50 bullets at one deer isn't a "hunting method" it's a sign of poor marksmanship. We do have a duty to the animals to be diligent in our shooting skills, to reduce the chances of poor hits and causing animals to suffer.

I'm not so concerned about *what* your hunting method is, as long as you can do it well, and you can kill cleanly.
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[sealhunter]

You bashed him.You said he lacked common sense,and that his taking 30 rounds to sight in was scary.You even asked if he was a troll.Or don't you consider asking if the guy is a troll bashing?





Let's see who twists and turns in responding to this post,and the post below..

I completely agree with my own post, obviously!

And I drew attention to the fact that because something is legal, and is by definition "hunting" does not make it right by me, simply because we are both hunters isn't enough.

That guy is a hunter, and you say hunters must stick together, sorry,
but just because someone is a "legal" hunter, doesn't make me allign with them.
There are many "legal' hunters who are unethical, giving other 'legal' hunters who are a bad rep.
You guys seem to be the ethics police so have it, but my ethics don't allow me to fall on side with guys, simply because they are hunters.

 

[Gatehouse]

And I drew attention to the fact that because something is legal, and is by definition "hunting" does not make it right by me, simply because we are both hunters isn't enough.

That guy is a hunter, and you say hunters must stick together, sorry,
but just because someone is a "legal" hunter, doesn't make me allign with them.

Once again, you suffer from narrowness of view. You are looking at the small picture, not the big picture.

Your small picture is that you don't think that the fellow who shoots 20 rounds at running deer is ethical or correct -or however you want to phrase it. And sure, that sounds about right..Sounds like he lacks ability.

The big picture is that the basic method of hunting he uses is sound, but his application of the method is poor. That doesn't mean that we should condemn everyone who uses the basic method of shooting at running deer and say they are "not really hunting" or "unethical"

here are many "legal' hunters who are unethical, giving other 'legal' hunters who are a bad rep.
You guys seem to be the ethics police so have it, but my ethics don't allow me to fall on side with guys, simply because they are hunters.

You are still looking at the small picture, but what I said applies in this case as well. Small Picture-You don't think some individuals are ethical. Big picture- There are very few legal methods of hunting that are unethical, it's the individuals who may make them so- Like bow hunters shooting outside thier range/skill level. Or guys taking 500 yard shots at running deer with thier .270, or people driving thier ATV's into alpine areas, etc.

To further complicate things, different people have different ethics, and different regions have different ethics and so on.

Mention "baiting" in most hunting circles in BC and you will get a lecture on how it's unethical, lazy, and illegal. Of course, I point out that it's legal for everything but bears (most guys don't even know this) and then I say how maintaining bait stations is a hell of alot of work, and that it's very ethical in that you can sit in a stand and take your time picking out a mature animal with no cubs...

Compared with the standard BC method of spring bear hunting which is the F250 spot and stalk method, baiting is much more work, so I don't know how it can be called lazy.

Invariably, the answer I get after that is "well, it doesn't sound like alot of fun" and I think that is true. I like to walk down roads and hunt bears, not sit on my ass in a tree.The hunters in BC that believe that baiting is unethical are just as wrong as the people that think that road hunting is unethical.

They are many different methods, all will provide a different experience, all are valid ways of hunting, and if as long as a hunter acts responsibly and legally within the parameters of his chosen method, I support him and his methods.



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[stubblejumper]

That guy is a hunter, and you say hunters must stick together, sorry,
but just because someone is a "legal" hunter, doesn't make me allign with them.

That is not what I posted.What I did post was:

As far as I am concerned,if it's legal,and you can provide as quick and clean of kills as possible it's hunting.

I stand with any hunter that uses legal methods AND provides as quick and clean kills as possible. The guy that shoots 20 low risk shots(for him) to take a deer,is not providing as quick and clean kills as possible.He is taking much higher risks of wounding a deer than I personally consider acceptable.

 

[Murf]

100, 200, 300 yards???

I use different firearms for deer hunting and each requires different methods. A sidelock MZ with round ball means no shots over 100 and no running shots because of the slow lock time.
A 45-70 using black powder loads is very accurate out to 500 yards but only when the ranges are known and pre set on the vernier rear site.
A scoped 30-06 is capable of running shots and also shots to a quarter mile if weather, steady rest etc are co-operating.

I enjoy all these but each imposes its own limitations and dictates hunting style.

I have taken 350 to 440 yard shots on a number of occassions but getting closer was not an option and I was confident in making the shot. Sneaking up on a deer in a cut grain field with no gullies or hollows is not always possible.
When shooting the muzzle loader I have used very minimal cover such as buck brush less than one foot tall to get with 15 yards from a starting distance of over 100 yards.
I consider both to have been hunting.

 

[7mmlefty]

If a fella told me he wants to shoot a target at 1000 yds, I'd say, good luck, and have a nice day.

If someone told me they want to wait in a tree and spear a target directly below him, I'd say, good luck, have a nice day.

Anything in between? ok by me, Have a nice day.

As long as it's legal, who is to argue?

Some have achieved great skill in shooting at game because they have been doing it all their lives and have no qualms at all, shooting at game at all ranges.

Alberta and Saskatchewan guides\ hunters come to mind(doesn't include stubby). They can shoot like no one else I know.

This is a semi public forum, and freedom of thought and expression is welcome, and encouraged.

Great poll question Seal Hunter.

 

[sealhunter]

Thanks!

 

[senior]

Just to point out, if you two are done

Quote:
How important are 600 yrd shots to most hunters?
About as important as 10 yard shots to most rifle hunters- not important at all.

Not at all true, in this area with the type of deer hunting done here, there are FAR more 10yd or 30 foot shots than even a 200yd shot. I'd even guess the average range on deer would be 20yds or 60 foot.

It seems every one has there own definition of hunting with a view associated with each. As long as it's legal it's all good, who am I to judge your method of hunting. Doesn't mean we can't have an opinion.

 

[sjemac]

I've shot a deer at just over 600 yards and I shot a deer at just under 10 yards. Both with the same rifle. I was proud of both kills if for different reasons. In both cases I would consider it hunting. I've also shot deer at ranges in between that I would consider akin to collecting groceries.

 

[Gatehouse]

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Just to point out, if you two are done

Quote:
How important are 600 yrd shots to most hunters?
About as important as 10 yard shots to most rifle hunters- not important at all.

Not at all true, in this area with the type of deer hunting done here, there are FAR more 10yd or 30 foot shots than even a 200yd shot. I'd even guess the average range on deer would be 20yds or 60 foot.

I'm speaking in general terms. I'd say across Canada most animals are shot at 0-150 yards, with 50-100 probably being the norm.