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got a package deal from a guy I know, and was wondering about a few of them.

at the top, on the left, is a webly mark IV .38sw. it has 'warfinish' stamped on the left of the frame, and alot of BNP markings

bottom left, is the only pistol of the bunch, other than 'STEYR 1917' and the serial number, there is no other stampings on the firearm. im not even sure of its caliber. a standard 9mm is slightly too long to chamber. it doesnt have a detachable mag, it appears to feed from a stripper clip.

top right, is a 45acp S&W revolver, i believe its a model 17.

next two down on the right are a pair of nagants. one is a 1914 russian (bottom) and the other i believe is polish, only markings on it is "F.B. RADOM Ng30" and the serial number.

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whatever anyone can tell me about any of the guns would be very appreciated. thanks, g270
 
What I'd like to do is go back 10-15 years and buy up every "surplus" WWII 1911A1 pistol I could lay my mits on.............. :cool:
 
You MK IV Webley, with the micky mouse rear sight. That little revolver has that sight to allow it to use the very under powered 146 grn lead round nose bullet that was kinda a north american thing. The actual sight are designed for a 174 or 200 grain bullet.
The semi auto is a 1911 Styer, they are indeed loaded with stripper clips from the top and fire 9mm Styer ammunition. Many were rechambered by the nazi's to use 9mm Para and will be marked 08 somewhwhere around the chamber.

Hope this helps.

Scott
 
m39a2 said:
You MK IV Webley, with the micky mouse rear sight. That little revolver has that sight to allow it to use the very under powered 146 grn lead round nose bullet that was kinda a north american thing. The actual sight are designed for a 174 or 200 grain bullet.
The semi auto is a 1911 Styer, they are indeed loaded with stripper clips from the top and fire 9mm Styer ammunition. Many were rechambered by the nazi's to use 9mm Para and will be marked 08 somewhwhere around the chamber.

Hope this helps.

Scott
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yeah, i noticed the second sight and was wondering what is was for. any idea as to what country its from?

no '08' stamped on the steyr. and a 9mm is too long to chamber. only markings are the 4 didget + one letter serial number found on the frame and slide. "steyr 1917" stamped on the slide and there are tiny 'k', one each on slide, hammer, safety, and frame.
 
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The Steyr is probably chambered in 9mm Steyr. The Webley is a WW2 issued revolver, in 38 S&W (called 38/200 by the Brits, which was a 38 S&W with a 200 gr bullet, hence the two sights). The 1917 (maybe, I see it has commercial grips on it) was WW1 issue to make up for the lack of 1911s, chambered for the 45 ACP. It may also be a second model hand ejector sent to the Brits in 455. More details on the gun would be required for proper identification. - dan
 
the S&W

dan belisle said:
The Steyr is probably chambered in 9mm Steyr. The Webley is a WW2 issued revolver, in 38 S&W (called 38/200 by the Brits, which was a 38 S&W with a 200 gr bullet, hence the two sights). The 1917 (maybe, I see it has commercial grips on it) was WW1 issue to make up for the lack of 1911s, chambered for the 45 ACP. It may also be a second model hand ejector sent to the Brits in 455. More details on the gun would be required for proper identification. - dan
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heres the markings;

left side of barrel " S & W. D.A 45"
bottom of barrel "united states property"
top of barrel "Smith and wesson springfield mass.usa
Patented Dec.17.1901.Feb.6.1906.Sept.14.1909"

only other marking is "P 378" on the backstrap and the serial number 33### on the bottom of the grip and matching # on the cylinder.
 
then it shall not be blued!

what do the origional grips look like? anyone have a pic?

my commercial ones have a peice broke off (i dont have the peice).

im getting some half moon clips for it friday, so ill let ya know how is shoots!
 
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